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Apex Mana Issues

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Hi,

i really like Apex as a Hero. He is alot of fun to play, has a nice mechanic, but you literally never see him in any matches and i feel he is pretty lackluster, compared to other heroes.

The biggest issue i have with this hero is, that his spells are literally way to expensive manawise. When you play him Mid, your only chance is to harras them out with Q and W Combos. The big issue with that is, that his Q and W Spell are 120 Mana each, which resolves in a 240 Mana Combo that's not even close to kill anyone. Simply for harrassing. When you compare Pebbles for example, which combo costs the same amount of Mana, it can one shot alot of heroes. Apex on the other hand does not have these benefits.

On a carry lane he is to lackluster to be a good carry for the late game, so that does not work aswell. On the long lane he can be fine with a decent lane partner, but as suicide hero he is literally useless, because of his big mana costs. You have to stock all your Cash on Mana Items, because escaping costs you all your mana all the time. Heroes like Lodestone for example got that much easier and can escape for simple 120 mana, compared to Apex's 240 Mana.

Even with Chalice and a bottle i find myself being out of mana literally all the time with the hero. After you picked up PK you literally can't use any spells, when you want to utelize your full Combo with Q+W+Ulti. It's pretty essential to buy INT Items on him, so you are not out of mana the whole mid game, after you used a single Q+W Combo to farm a Creepwave.

I feel like Apex needs big chances, according to his Manapool. His Q costing 120 Mana is way to overpriced for me, when you have Heroes like DM or Bush that do a kinda similiar effect for way less mana.

Changes i would suggest for Apex:

Change his Q Spell Mana to 50/60/70/80

Make his E spell activation Mana for free

Improve his overall INT Gain per level by a slight bit.

And that would be enough to make this hero much better and kinda competitive again. At the rate he is now, he is a super fun hero, but with way to big flaws to utelize him perfectly. And the Mana Issue is the most easy thing to adress i think.

Edited by cobaye

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The main issue is that Apex is a classic S2 hero that has everything he needs in his toolkit, so he had to be put below the average curve. It's what happens with most S2 heroes.

 

He is getting some minor buffs next patch, but we're very careful with heroes like Apex because of how power creeped these types of heroes are.

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10 minutes ago, ElementUser said:

The main issue is that Apex is a classic S2 hero that has everything he needs in his toolkit, so he had to be put below the average curve. It's what happens with most S2 heroes.

 

He is getting some minor buffs next patch, but we're very careful with heroes like Apex because of how power creeped these types of heroes are.

I can understand your point and thank you for the fast answer. What i actually don't get is, if we compare him to Lodestone. Both Heroes have kinda the same role, and had the same big mana problems in the past, but Lodestones Manaproblems were fixed some patches ago, and it worked out perfectly. I don't think a big tweak in Apex's Mana Problems would make Apex straight breaking the Metagame. I think it would just resolve in seeing him maybe every 50th game, insteat of every 200th.

 

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9 hours ago, ElementUser said:

The main issue is that Apex is a classic S2 hero that has everything he needs in his toolkit, so he had to be put below the average curve. It's what happens with most S2 heroes.

 

He is getting some minor buffs next patch, but we're very careful with heroes like Apex because of how power creeped these types of heroes are.

*blinks in disbelief*

I've only played a handful of games with Apex and I have to agree. One of the biggest criticisms of the game was the blink, slow, stun, steroid toolkits. I appreciate that some heroes can have it all, but they should have some weakness to offset it or else why pick a specialist when a generalist would suffice?

I think that's a larger discussion though.


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i disagree with the suggestion in this post, apex is a super strong hero. mana problems are non existant if u go mid, bottle and chalice. I can say he has the same mana problems a gladiator for example can have. So you regen in base, get runes . chalice.  Classic strength mid hero. 
  Never saw a flaw in that hero, hence the reason im bored to play these kind of heroes.

Edited by doctornik

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Yeah Apex is really strong. And is not a hero that is meant to box out someone, altho it can sometimes happen. My advice for you is to try to play Apex with arcane bomb, since you apply your E on everyone, and then you ult. Also try to max your E next time you play Apex mid, it should be better.

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