How to BEAT Bloodhunter Solo Mid?

[[180]facedown]

Electrician will destroy BH one on one.

[Lethe]

Played against it just this afternoon. It was a Matchmaking game, guy playing Devourer was like 1800ish~ psr.

Wrecked him at mid. He really just didn't have any tools he could use to keep me off of the creeps. He couldn't scare me off with hook, because I just stayed back unless I had the cover of my own creeps. I beat him to level 6, so I don't know how his ult would have played out, since I left the lane at 6 and we didn't really see eachother 1v1 much after that.

I assume you could just silence spam him when he's 6 though if you really need to stay at mid for some extra farm.

never send a devourer against bh. Even if the bh is less skilled then you it is still a ticket for disaster. Bh can even just melee harass since devo is both slow and has poor armor.

[JustinSynth]

Try or , pretty much anyone with heavy harass.
If you play extremely aggresive from level 1 then he will back off and not get any last hits.

The downside is that you may have to change your starting items to play agaisnt bh.

[[JAC]Marylinn]

never send a devourer against bh. Even if the bh is less skilled then you it is still a ticket for disaster. Bh can even just melee harass since devo is both slow and has poor armor.

I was honestly shocked they sent him mid at all. Our only two options for mid heroes were me or Corrupted Disciple, either of which would have raped Devourer.

I guess 1800~ players just think they're good enough to carry their way through matchmaking regardless of the circumstance, which is not really the case.

[[CLIT]Roidrage]

never send a devourer against bh. Even if the bh is less skilled then you it is still a ticket for disaster. Bh can even just melee harass since devo is both slow and has poor armor.

Best thing is when he uses DECAY and you as a BH silence him and you see him die.
Hock - decay - silence = dead devour and you can survive

I know good players dont do this misstake but still fun!

[[JAC]Marylinn]

Played a rough game against a Pyromancer just now. Started with a bottle, and spell spamming was just too much on each creep wave for me to reliably last hit.

He didn't get far ahead of me, but it was a bit of a pain to fight off.

[Sauron`]

I find slither that maxes spit/poison can be a real PITA. but the best way like i've said before is 2 mid. Jester+Magmus (or any stunner) will completely **** all over BH

[Killamonjaro]

its been said a lot, but go conduit / discharge build and at level 3 just animation cancel him back to his tower with conduit.

[[Wzd]Dashiva]

yeah but the idea is that you put him in the jungle so you got 2 solo lanes and a jungler. If your solos suck you could put him mid.. but it's more effective to just get another good mid and a good solo (cd/valk?)

In fact, I just thought it to be pretty awesome.

War beast is a bad laner, so you send him to forest so you have two advantages : one solo lane and some effective farm on WB, but he needs his mana for his hounds and can't spam battle cry for the first levels.

War beast mid ? You don't need your mana for anything but battle cry, so you can spam it from level 1 to level 7 non stop.

Futhermore, you will get level 3 really fast, and battle cry level 2 is just begining to be awesome

All your lanes will get between +11 to +44 damage to last hit 3/4 of the time (CD is 25 and skill lasts 16)

And you will easily outlasthist / deny BH and your lanes will easily outlast hit and outdeny enemies. (Even glacius would be a monster with 70 damages at level 2 (wb level 3))

And if WB isn't the best ganker, he has really good damages so a DD, hast rune (before level6) or illusion (after level 6 for a combo with ult) or even invisy will do the trick with some minor help.

Whad'ya think ?

[[JAC]Marylinn]

In fact, I just thought it to be pretty awesome.

War beast is a bad laner, so you send him to forest so you have two advantages : one solo lane and some effective farm on WB, but he needs his mana for his hounds and can't spam battle cry for the first levels.

War beast mid ? You don't need your mana for anything but battle cry, so you can spam it from level 1 to level 7 non stop.

Futhermore, you will get level 3 really fast, and battle cry level 2 is just begining to be awesome

All your lanes will get between +11 to +44 damage to last hit 3/4 of the time (CD is 25 and skill lasts 16)

And you will easily outlasthist / deny BH and your lanes will easily outlast hit and outdeny enemies. (Even glacius would be a monster with 70 damages at level 2 (wb level 3))

And if WB isn't the best ganker, he has really good damages so a DD, hast rune (before level6) or illusion (after level 6 for a combo with ult) or even invisy will do the trick with some minor help.

Whad'ya think ?

Great idea in theory. I'll put it into practice to night and post results.

Edit: Actually, I don't know what skill build to go for this, to be honest. Alternate cry and hounds maybe?

[[Wzd]Dashiva]

Great idea in theory. I'll put it into practice to night and post results.

Edit: Actually, I don't know what skill build to go for this, to be honest. Alternate cry and hounds maybe?

Well this build was first meant to counter BH so level battle cry asap, and get it at 4 at level 7.
I think I would put one point in primal rage at 2 for further last hit and to outdamage blood if he got you silenced ... and then one in hounds at 5 for combo with your ult. After that ... I would choose hounds over primal for farming/getting kongor at 8-9/pushing towers.

But against a good harassing mid you want one point in hounds at 1, I think ... and therefore there isn't so much interest in having him mid.

(EDIT : appart from denying every last runes with your dogs, so to counter the mister bottle-1rstItem-asMid guy)

Not too sure about that.

[MABManZ]

Whoever said vindi it's the worst choice.

Sure, not he can't kill you or gank sidelanes without a bottle or a trip back, but he WILL get every creep kills, and heal your harass quite easily.

Glaive + stats and you'll be hitting like a truck

[[JAC]Marylinn]

Glaive + stats and you'll be hitting like a truck

Glaive+Stats is not going to work, by the time you hit a high enough level to do any real harassment, his feast will be overwhelmingly good.

[Killstealing]

In fact, I just thought it to be pretty awesome.

War beast is a bad laner, so you send him to forest so you have two advantages : one solo lane and some effective farm on WB, but he needs his mana for his hounds and can't spam battle cry for the first levels.

War beast mid ? You don't need your mana for anything but battle cry, so you can spam it from level 1 to level 7 non stop.

Futhermore, you will get level 3 really fast, and battle cry level 2 is just begining to be awesome

All your lanes will get between +11 to +44 damage to last hit 3/4 of the time (CD is 25 and skill lasts 16)

And you will easily outlasthist / deny BH and your lanes will easily outlast hit and outdeny enemies. (Even glacius would be a monster with 70 damages at level 2 (wb level 3))

And if WB isn't the best ganker, he has really good damages so a DD, hast rune (before level6) or illusion (after level 6 for a combo with ult) or even invisy will do the trick with some minor help.

Whad'ya think ?

war beast forest = 2 solo lanes, mid and bot
war beast mid = 1 solo lane, mid.
Only if your heroes cant solo

[Crashh]

My team made me go mid as plaugue rider Vs blood hunter.. I got bloodlusted and I got killed another time in the lane.. He got super beast after that got a mid game mocked and whooped us. They all blamed me for feeding, but really what can you do as Plaugue? I stayed back and tried denying with estinguish.. but I couldn't last hit at all. I nuked and auto attacked, but i couldn't deal enough damage. Any advice Plaugue Vs Blood? Or was I just auto scrwwed?

[nickknife]

well some ppl may laugh now but my best heroes vs bh are pollywog and arachna

[Buttomtwo]

My team made me go mid as plaugue rider Vs blood hunter.. I got bloodlusted and I got killed another time in the lane.. He got super beast after that got a mid game mocked and whooped us. They all blamed me for feeding, but really what can you do as Plaugue? I stayed back and tried denying with estinguish.. but I couldn't last hit at all. I nuked and auto attacked, but i couldn't deal enough damage. Any advice Plaugue Vs Blood? Or was I just auto scrwwed?

Obv no chance in hell.

[Proxymate]

His cyclones will constantly annoy him and they will heal you back up too.

A good Pharao can get the last hits if he wants to.

Corrupted can spam conduit and get easy charges against melee heroes. It really annoys mid heroes, forces them back, steals their damage and buffs your own.

[[1u]Exactable]

Maliken makes him cry. Out last hit him with ease.

[wrajjt]

Any ranged hero? Then why is BH considered one of the best mid characters? You think he just stands in the lane waiting to last hit while you target him? Sure he can be countered but any half ass BH will out mid just about any ranged char.

BH goes in silences, you hit him BH last hits getting the creep kills/denies and healing himself. BH backs out until it's time to kill creep.

Wash rinse repeat!

You get few creep kills due to playing aggressive.

BH gets fat.

BH out levels due to denies.

BH wins mid.

You have to be able to out last hit BH and have the health to with stand his dot, and not be to effected by his silence.

Until BH reaches ~ lvl 7 his feast will simply not heal him up enough for him to withstand really aggressive harassing, especially not if you play someone with an orb-like ability like vindi or Arachna. Hell, even FA can cause him serious pain with her skeletons and by positioning herself between him and the creeps. What's that? Trying to get a deny/CK in? Too bad you healed yourself for 50 hp and took 100 dmg in return. It's a dangerous tactic, but you simply MUST watch out for him dinging 6, and hope he is not clever enough to ferry mana pots to himself via courier. His mana is not high enough to harass anything via his silence.

I'd say both Pharaoh and Deadwood are better at laning mid against ranged enemies. BH is seriously overrated, both in pubs and the few times you see him in competetive play. Ofcourse, there ARE heroes that he will usually have less problems against. I cant see Glacius or VJ faring too well against him, for example.