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    carrys at pro matches

    Hello, why cant i see carrys like magebane sand wraith dark lady madman ... in pro matches like Whp Vs 5 ?

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    because they choose not to use them...?

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    because chronos/zeph/puppet are better/broken, dark lady is fundamentally flawed, madman was unnecessarily nerfed,
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    I see magebane and in a lesser degree sand wraith used quite often in pro matches.

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    i only see heros like corrupted SS hellbringer magmus.. but maybe you have right

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    A good amount of teams head puppet master as there carry. Not sure why. Maybe the added disables with a reliable crit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertLoggia View Post
    A good amount of teams head puppet master as there carry. Not sure why. Maybe the added disables with a reliable crit.
    is a ganker, natural farmer, carry, reliable cc, nuker(w/ ulti) all rolled into one. Basically he can dominate a lane, gank, farm, and carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiklit View Post
    Hello, why cant i see carrys like magebane sand wraith dark lady madman ... in pro matches like Whp Vs 5 ?

    Sand wraith is used quite a bit still, as far as dark lady and madman; they just aren't quite as powerful as the others.

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    It's not always reliable to put your faith into hoping for a 40 minute game in higher level matches. People actually gank and push more in organized games because if you think you can win it early you might as well do so. So loading up on early game semi-carries is generally a better option - :fors: type stuff since they're much more useful much earlier in the game.

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    Because you Sir, have found the 2 most useless heroes in the game. It should give you an INDICATION when the pro's are not using them.

    Dark Lady is very powerful vs. an all caster team like Blacksmith / Succubus / Etc (Heroes that have to aim to disable-Not so much Puppet Master as he can still auto attack, which still deals a ruthless amount of damage). Her ult reduces their visibility making it very difficult to get off their disables, therefore enabling them not to get off their disables, therefore possibly winning you the game.

    For some peculiar reason, Dark Lady is a MUCH better anti-mage, than Magina is (Imagine that). Magina without 40% magic reduction = no longer imba.

    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.

    *** This was because his pure damage reflection did more damage to Mortred than her crits could do to him. Mercurial required having lifesteal, armour, and block to reduce the constant damage though - but still the Victor 1v1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiklit View Post
    i only see heros like corrupted SS hellbringer magmus.. but maybe you have right
    Yeah, Magmus is like the most underrated hero in the game, he's not amazing, but he's definately above average. =)

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    Because the other carries they use have much more utility and carry power than the 4 you listed.

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    if you are winning 4v5 why not have 5 players and end it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelillidan View Post
    Because you Sir, have found the 2 most useless heroes in the game. It should give you an INDICATION when the pro's are not using them.

    Dark Lady is very powerful vs. an all caster team like Blacksmith / Succubus / Etc (Heroes that have to aim to disable-Not so much Puppet Master as he can still auto attack, which still deals a ruthless amount of damage). Her ult reduces their visibility making it very difficult to get off their disables, therefore enabling them not to get off their disables, therefore possibly winning you the game.

    For some peculiar reason, Dark Lady is a MUCH better anti-mage, than Magina is (Imagine that). Magina without 40% magic reduction = no longer imba.

    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.

    *** This was because his pure damage reflection did more damage to Mortred than her crits could do to him. Mercurial required having lifesteal, armour, and block to reduce the constant damage though - but still the Victor 1v1.
    This is just a giant post of retardation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelillidan View Post
    Because you Sir, have found the 2 most useless heroes in the game. It should give you an INDICATION when the pro's are not using them.

    Dark Lady is very powerful vs. an all caster team like Blacksmith / Succubus / Etc (Heroes that have to aim to disable-Not so much Puppet Master as he can still auto attack, which still deals a ruthless amount of damage). Her ult reduces their visibility making it very difficult to get off their disables, therefore enabling them not to get off their disables, therefore possibly winning you the game.

    For some peculiar reason, Dark Lady is a MUCH better anti-mage, than Magina is (Imagine that). Magina without 40% magic reduction = no longer imba.

    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.

    *** This was because his pure damage reflection did more damage to Mortred than her crits could do to him. Mercurial required having lifesteal, armour, and block to reduce the constant damage though - but still the Victor 1v1.
    What exactly does this post have to do with the OP's question? This was completely useless. We aren't playing DOTA, we're playing HON. So who cares if the Sand Wraith's equivalent used to counter Phantom Assassin. He isn't asking for a history lesson about the way characters were set up in DOTA, THERES NO NEED TO GIVE THEM. IT DOESNT HELP NOW.

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    Clearly, if the heroes are still being chosen though, who's the retard?
    Note: I have not seen a sand wraith carry since HoN came out (except for my random play)
    Last edited by Kaelillidan; 02-19-2010 at 02:55 PM.

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    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.

    LOL what

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    Quote Originally Posted by awayish` View Post
    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.

    LOL what
    True story, unfortunately it was only effective as long as Mortred was stupid enough to aim for him. Guess you could always pair him up with Visage and call it a GG.

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    spectre was the best carry in the game, thus the dota and hon hard nerfs. idk what you are talking about, as if pa needs a counter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelillidan View Post
    Sand Wraith was only used to counter Phantom Assassin in DotA***, and their version of that hero (Scout) is no longer viable to use the hero. Someone even mentioned to me recently that SW reflects magical damage back, instead of his infamous pure damage..so he's completely inviable now.
    PA was used in high level play? And since when is Scout a PA wannabe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelillidan View Post
    *** This was because his pure damage reflection did more damage to Mortred than her crits could do to him. Mercurial required having lifesteal, armour, and block to reduce the constant damage though - but still the Victor 1v1.
    20% > 80% ???
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