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I played a game with Tempest yesterday and was utterly destroyed by Vindicator's passive and ult silences. No blink + ult for me, and simply walking up to their team to ult failed as well (lol I had to at least give it a shot -_-).
The only solution was to try to ward and gank Vindi in order to remove him from the picture, or to try to have him focused first. Unfortunately, Vindi was butt-buddying with his team, or hanging out in fog during team battles...gg.
Don't get me wrong - it was a pretty good game, but when your team depends on your ult to win, not being able to get your ult off is totally frustrating =P
Aside from hitting the concede button, what other options are out there?
(As an aside, this was the lineup:vs.
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None, you're screwed. You can't ult unless you know you'll get him, in which case you should go for it. This won't happen with a good Vindicator though.
Have somebody initiate a fight with a bad skill,potentially sacrificing him,and run back asap,making Vindi use his silence.U might lose one guy,but u can hopefully ult without gazilion seconds of silence
u cant really meteor + ult vs vindi, but getting your ult off with dagger shouldn't be a real problem. If he uses ult to stop u from engaging fall back do it from a different position different time when his ult isn't up. Now if they engage it can be a problem however, so make sure you ward nicely and you get the initiation off.
Remember, Vind is the only real counter to tempest, and a soft one at that.
With your team meteor is very minor, the rest of your team should easily put out enough damage to kill them in your ult. Would Blinking in and ulting be all that hard? Just wait till they're all hitting your tower and grouped up.
Second option is have Soulstealer insta-gib ulti Vindi or have magmus initiate as vindi will probably panic and ult.
Side-noteoes Shrunken make you immune to Vindi's silence?
Soft? How much harder a counter do you want? He completely screws your ult from anywhere on the map.
Theres nothing you can do, a good vindi will stay back and save the ultimate for when you ult. The only real advice is to ban him or pick him in your team if you really need tempest in your lineup.
using portalkey inside his aura will silence you before you can ulti, on that note iirc the range on portalkey is a bit bigger then his aura so it is possible to get it off, however if im up against vindi i prefer getting a assasins shroud on tempest rather then portalkey to counter the silence from blinking if you misjudge.Originally Posted by Ghork
and shrunken head doesnt stop his aura silence or hit ulti afaik.
Yeah, their Vindi was a fairly decent player (and I can't say the same about my teammates lol, for instance Voodoo didn't get Cursed Ground until level 7, and that was only after we had realized it and made him get it T_T).
Forgive my ignorance - either their Vindi had great timing with his ult, or everytime I blinked in to ult and Vindi was nearby, I was instantly silenced (Ult would never go off). Is that due to Vindi's passive silence or was it just a one huge coincidence after another?
In that game, I'm certain Vindi saved his ult only to counter mine. Our team battles would go back and forth - without my ult we would get owned, and with my ult we owned them.
Pretty sure shrunken head won't counter Vindi's silence.
EDIT:
Awesome, thanks for clarifying that for me. Assassin's Shroud sounds pretty viable; I'll have to give that a shot next time I'm up against a Vindi.
Last edited by Mynk; 01-31-2010 at 01:12 PM.
Vindi's squishy, tell your team to focus on him first. If you can burst him down quickly then you can mop up with your ultimate, even if you lose 1 - 2 guys in the initial engagement.
You cannot pull off your Meteor + Void combo, but I don't see what's stopping you from blinking in and using Void. If you're sure he'll use Last Chapter when you're blinking in, drop a meteor. His Last Chapter will overlap with his Glyph of Silence, so it's basically a waste of his ultimate. But probably the best thing you can do is stun him, have your team focus fire on him, and get him down as soon as possible. The rest of the team should be easy.
PS. It should be really easy to kill him. Cursed Ground + Soulstealer's ultimate will take him down in seconds.
Ih he knows his stuff he will just stay back at a safe spot and ulti when tempest ulti, the global silence will interrupt it. He is probably the hardest counter to tempest.
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Send a scout ahead and harass him.
Vindicator may not be with the other 4 heroes, but he should be close for his aura to work.
Best case would be that their allies panic and decides to get close to vindi to help him and there is your chance.
Worst case scenario if they have pharaoh or hellbringer outside of tempest ulti range.
A good Vindicator will
- Save his ultimate for Tempest
- And not be next to his teammates
So the only way to get a good ultimate off is if the Vindicator is in your ultimate, or dead. Otherwise you are ****ed. He's a pretty hard counter to Tempest.
Could u go into details please? I'm still new to this game and have no clue why those heroes would be upset at the poster haha...
I'm missing crucial info that makes me understand your post, or I failed to see the joke.
Both of their ultimates stun through shrunken head (canceling Tempest's channeled ultimate). In addition, they have fairly large ranges, allowing them to stand back and not get caught in the ultimate.
@OP. Portal Key doesn't trigger Vindicator's aura. He must just have good reflexes.
pharaohs soul is also extremely good to harass tempest, so he cant dagger for ult. having HBs dot on temp is good to, but you need to get quite close to him, so i wouldnt suggest that.
pharaoh and vindi counter tempest pretty much, but you need quite some skill for that...
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