Defiler

[[S2]Viole]

Heck yeah I made the credits

[[1]Tryptophan]

Heck yeah you did :P

[[whe]ChukNorris]

Good guide.

[[Sav2]Magissia]

Hi ! U should add magmus to the enemies

[[1]Tryptophan]

Magmus? Not really. Better ally than an enemy. But he counts as both. I'll add him somewhere later.

[Vermifax]

How do people kill with defiler. I got a couple early gank kills but then late-mid to late game, nukes didn't do enough damage and if I popped my ult they'd just run away until it was over. I was able to push down a lot of towers, but couldn't get any charges on my sac stone to become tankish.

[[S2]ElementUser]

Tryptophan you should mention Grave Silence's HUGE cast range (900) at least once in your guide. A lot of times I see people wait until they're pretty close to the enemies to cast it for some reason

[[1]Tryptophan]

Sorry for the delayed update. I was at school without a laptop for two weeks. I will make changes when I have time. I added the Silence cast range in.

[Anosou]

Great guide, helped a lot. Kisses and hugs!

[Ambrogino]

Great Guide

[quickshiv]

Does silence interrupt channeling spells? I know in Dota that it does

[[S2]ElementUser]

Yes. It won't interrupt TP though since it's from an item

[quickshiv]

I could be wrong here but I think I saw Defiler's ghosts stop working while in chronosphere, which should not be the case because the ghosts should continue even when the hero is stunned/silenced/cycloned/any status. Can someone verify?

[Marmanukem]

Should fix your pic links

[[S2]ElementUser]

Should fix your pic links

Everyone who used images from Hucklecat's Item/Hero Thread is affected by this.

[adrift]

Good guide. Should add Jereziah to enemies, defiler ult is physical so his ult immunes his team to your ult. Flip side is it goes through BKB and char specific magic immunes (predator, omni, ect).

Might want to mention post haste too. I almost always go phase boots and they are probably better in most games but she is a strong pusher/farmer and with the run speed removed from the passive they can be worth it.

[Utred]

I could be wrong here but I think I saw Defiler's ghosts stop working while in chronosphere, which should not be the case because the ghosts should continue even when the hero is stunned/silenced/cycloned/any status. Can someone verify?

Chronosphere even stops projectiles iirc. So it's not that strange.

[[TK0]Vascariz]

An item I like to use is Shroud. With Shroud I can extend my presence in a team fight. So I'll Ult, Silence, Wave, Shroud into the middle of them. Then rinse with silence/wave.
I find without Shroud I get targetted quite hard. I do very well with Defiler with always a positive k/d and great assists.

However, when I suggest the item I get flamed quite hard Is there a draw back of Shroud?

My items go similar but while building sacrificial I go -
Sustainer
Shroud
Sacrifical Stone

Unnecessary? Just thought I'd ask as its not even mentioned as a possible item.

[TehSadist]

A drawback? They can grab dust and counter it. Way better off with a shrunken head. Besides, it even gives some hp.

And I'm not so sure if you can target your ult at anyone while invised, since you'd have to do an attack command, which would remove your invisibility. Ult/Attacking/Invis would work though, I'd think.

[Ozzzzz]

well read the guide and played my 1st game with defiler and did very well support wise. besides 1v1s getting kills was kind of tough lategame but i was 4/2/21. my team was getting destroyed early and i was holding my own soloing hellborne top against pudge/pyro but they were controlling mid and bottom and ganking my teammates constantly. they went up in the kills about 16-8 or so but once i got my silence maxed and leveled to about 14-15 we won every team fight and we didnt look back.

thanks for the great guide!