There is a God, else we are in hell

[Meem]

Ex nihilo nihil fit (from nothing, nothing is produced).

Pretty much a universal law.

From this we can deduce that if the universe exists now, it was either created by God (an entity representing infinite) or it has always existed. There are no other possibilities. If God didn't create it, and it hasn't always existed, it couldn't have popped out of nowhere, because then it contradicts ENNF. Universal heat death is not possible as long as ENNF stands; what are the odds of us living in a fixed segment of time followed by an infinite of universal heat death? It is "any number/infinity" which is a number so small it is effectively zero.

So then:

A) Universe was created by God
There is an end to the universe. God decides what happens to us after death, and after the expiration of the universe.

B) Universe has always existed
If there is an eternity behind us and an eternity in front of us, then we can safely assume anything that CAN happen HAS happened infinite times and WILL happen infinite more times. That means humanity has and will exist forever, in an infinitely recursive loop. Also implies that our consciousness will be reborn after each revolution, and we will live our lives identically in every second, thought, and little detail. Indirectly implies every moment of our lives will conclusively last an eternity, because any portion of infinite, regardless of how minute, is still infinite. Nietzsche anyone?

Anyway whether or not you take this seriously, I don't really care. Come to think of it, I don't know why I even posted this. Just had a philosophical discussion and I'm feeling typey. Also looking for actual philosophy peoples to make me look like a fool.

[Meem]

I only made this second post because spammers (deleted already) were raging about 2012.

[Pettypete]

Thirdly, if it does end the universe, the we can comfort ourselves in the fact that god does exist.

God does not forgive... God does not forget!

It's OK, hell is a place of LARPs and nerds; We'll play dungeons and dragons for all eternity! How fun is that?

[ruskor]

2012 will be the apocalypse and War will kill demons n **** to restore the balance.

[Nolifer]

Alternative 2 is the right one, which means that your post really doesn't mean ****.
In this universe, nothing really matters, nothing really makes a difference.
I'd advice everyone to suicide in order to end their miserable lives full of nothing.

[Pettypete]

Alternative 2 is the right one, which means that your post really doesn't mean ****.
In this universe, nothing really matters, nothing really makes a difference.
I'd advice everyone to suicide in order to end their miserable lives full of nothing.

Likewise

[[Sav2]Magissia]

If god exsist he is a **** because he don't help people

[[HZoo]magnakaser]

If god exsist he is a **** because he don't help people

No one ever said he had to be a good guy! Why people get so stuck on the fact that god or whatever has to be all good and stuff is beyond me.

Also, here's the real story of 2012:

Like 1100AD

<Mayan Dude 1> Man, we got this calender done till like 900 years from now, can we be done yet?
<Mayan Dude 2> Ok, I guess. People can do more later.
*Mayans die

[[LOLl]Bobnintendo]

where did god come from?

[[Sav2]Magissia]

No one ever said he had to be a good guy! Why people get so stuck on the fact that god or whatever has to be all good and stuff is beyond me.

If god was a bad guy and if he exsist, he is a **** because he do absolutely nothing, he don't go in the street with guns and kill people.

[Blue_Kitten]

No one ever said he had to be a good guy! Why people get so stuck on the fact that god or whatever has to be all good and stuff is beyond me.

Also, here's the real story of 2012:

Like 1100AD

<Mayan Dude 1> Man, we got this calender done till like 900 years from now, can we be done yet?
<Mayan Dude 2> Ok, I guess. People can do more later.
*Mayans die

Yes but if he's not good then why praise him?

And i loled at the mayans story xD

[Wraiven]

Yes but if he's not good then why praise him?

And i loled at the mayans story xD

This doesn't work though, because the Mayans arent the only ones that predicted it.

[[JAC]Megumijk]

This doesn't work though, because the Mayans arent the only ones that predicted it.

The Mayans used to drink their own urine.

[[EAG]Ularg]

No one ever said he had to be a good guy! Why people get so stuck on the fact that god or whatever has to be all good and stuff is beyond me.

Also, here's the real story of 2012:

Like 1100AD

<Mayan Dude 1> Man, we got this calender done till like 900 years from now, can we be done yet?
<Mayan Dude 2> Ok, I guess. People can do more later.
*Mayans die

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.


And to add on to that, why worship a malevolent God?

[[trNs]Darkstrand]

And to add on to that, why worship a malevolent God?

Kiss ass so you can be saved from the great purge.

[SyKot]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.


And to add on to that, why worship a malevolent God?

If God were omnipotent he would be able to create a rock that he couldn't lift. But if he couldn't lift it, he wouldn't be omnipotent.

The paradox of omnipotence.

[Money75]

Also, here's the real story of 2012:

Like 1100AD

<Mayan Dude 1> Man, we got this calender done till like 900 years from now, can we be done yet?
<Mayan Dude 2> Ok, I guess. People can do more later.
*Mayans die

Lol this ^

[[S2]IAmRoot]

Because the Big Bang cannot explain itself. (based on current, known laws of physics)

Actually, they can. All it takes is one very rare quantum fluxuation to create a big bang. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

The reason nobody can explain God is because God has to be from outwith our universe; he is not subject to any conventional thinking methods, logic or physics which we have deduced from the universe.

In short, man cannot comprehend God

No, the reason nobody can explain God is that He doesn't exist. Every form of God is flawed in some way in all religions, predominantly the earth-centric views. The truth is that we are all utterly insignificant.

The universe was created by the Humans that existed before the last Big Bang. Those Humans were created by the other humans that existed before the last 2 Big Bangs. And so on.

Everything is too perfect in this universe. If the speed of light was just 1 digit different, everything would be COMPLETELY different.

The purpose of the human race is to create and maintain intelligence.

Now flame me :P

Why humans? What's so special about humans? We may have done a great job so far (if not too good) as far as advancement as a species goes, but that probably isn't anything special. The universe is massive. That said, it could be possible to create a big bang, which would ruin everyone's day.

And yes, everything would be completely different. We evolved to fit the present conditions. People keep saying "oh, if things were just slightly different, we wouldn't exist". There's no problem with that. Something else might exist instead.

In general, you're putting way too much emphasis on the importance of humans. Look at how big the universe is, and that's <1% of everything. Some people seem to think that we have to have a purpose, but really, the universe doesn't care what we think. We just have to make of it what we want.

BTW my posts in this thread are completely unofficial. Just want to make that 100% clear

[Zulukas]

If god exsist he is a **** because he don't help people

Who ever said he doesn't help people? Did you see the episode of Futurama where Bender becomes a 'god' to a small colony of people living on his belly in deep space and then he meets 'god' and he says "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

I think that sums up God very well, and he probably does help people in ways that aren't obvious to our thought process.

[Sauron`]

If god exsist he is a **** because he don't help people

lol @ this person.