Ex nihilo nihil fit (from nothing, nothing is produced).
Pretty much a universal law.
From this we can deduce that if the universe exists now, it was either created by God (an entity representing infinite) or it has always existed. There are no other possibilities. If God didn't create it, and it hasn't always existed, it couldn't have popped out of nowhere, because then it contradicts ENNF. Universal heat death is not possible as long as ENNF stands; what are the odds of us living in a fixed segment of time followed by an infinite of universal heat death? It is "any number/infinity" which is a number so small it is effectively zero.
A) Universe was created by God
There is an end to the universe. God decides what happens to us after death, and after the expiration of the universe.
B) Universe has always existed
If there is an eternity behind us and an eternity in front of us, then we can safely assume anything that CAN happen HAS happened infinite times and WILL happen infinite more times. That means humanity has and will exist forever, in an infinitely recursive loop. Also implies that our consciousness will be reborn after each revolution, and we will live our lives identically in every second, thought, and little detail. Indirectly implies every moment of our lives will conclusively last an eternity, because any portion of infinite, regardless of how minute, is still infinite. Nietzsche anyone?
Anyway whether or not you take this seriously, I don't really care. Come to think of it, I don't know why I even posted this. Just had a philosophical discussion and I'm feeling typey. Also looking for actual philosophy peoples to make me look like a fool.
Last edited by SpasticMouse; 01-15-2010 at 06:24 AM.
I only made this second post because spammers (deleted already) were raging about 2012.
Last edited by SpasticMouse; 01-15-2010 at 05:51 PM.
2012 will be the apocalypse and War will kill demons n **** to restore the balance.
Alternative 2 is the right one, which means that your post really doesn't mean ****.
In this universe, nothing really matters, nothing really makes a difference.
I'd advice everyone to suicide in order to end their miserable lives full of nothing.
If god exsist he is a **** because he don't help people
Also, here's the real story of 2012:
<Mayan Dude 1> Man, we got this calender done till like 900 years from now, can we be done yet?
<Mayan Dude 2> Ok, I guess. People can do more later.
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.
And to add on to that, why worship a malevolent God?
And yes, everything would be completely different. We evolved to fit the present conditions. People keep saying "oh, if things were just slightly different, we wouldn't exist". There's no problem with that. Something else might exist instead.
In general, you're putting way too much emphasis on the importance of humans. Look at how big the universe is, and that's <1% of everything. Some people seem to think that we have to have a purpose, but really, the universe doesn't care what we think. We just have to make of it what we want.
BTW my posts in this thread are completely unofficial. Just want to make that 100% clear
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I think that sums up God very well, and he probably does help people in ways that aren't obvious to our thought process.