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Blockk out picked The Forums.
The Forums out picked Blockk.
Don't pick Corrupted, we can pick him or Arachna later. They both do the same job just fine!
Torturer+Pyro because we need to win lanes.
Guys, please don't pick Torturer + Pyromancer. He's deliberately offering them to us because he has something in mind that he believes would work well against those picks. Don't fall into that trap.
I believe we should attempt something unconventional but viable.
Like, Pyro and Hag, bypass Kraken and get Predator/Disciple/Jester/Valk last.Originally Posted by Godzu
Let's think about his lanes, this pool, and blokk's overall strategy.
He has Hammerstorm and Pebbles. Two high burst heroes with stuns and decent HP.
We have madman and a bunch of squishy stunners we want to pick in the pool. We are considering sending madman mid and stunners other lanes and devastating him.
We can't let blokk lane pebbles mid against our madman mid. Pebbles can out last hit madman with ease. Madman is squishy as hell early on, and a chuck/stun will be the end of him.
With mid out of the picture, we need to find a way to get him some farm without making the lane awful. It is my opinion that we need either Pyro or Jester for our madman lane to be a success. A good madman can dodge a hammer stun with his barrel roll - a big plus for putting him in lane as opposed to mid.
We have to very seriously consider that blokk will pick predator. He'll send pebbles mid, predator+whoever safe lane, and hammerstorm+stunner last lane. This gives him massive stuns and burst damage, and a magic immune semicarry type. Strong lanes all around, with two that are capable of carrying, and initiation covered by pebbles.
Finally, a character that needs to be discussed is Wretched Hag. Midgame fights will be over before they started with blink initiations by hag and pebs/hammerstorm.
I have to think about my picks.
Edit 1: We have three things we have to keep in mind to win:
1) Do not get destroyed early. Pebs and Hammerstorm are a nightmare early.
2) Prevent them from destroying us mid. They don't need kraken since they have hammer/pebs/and probably hag. Keep in mind that if they DO get hag, our chances of actually pulling off an early push strat are nil.
3) Valkyrie hasn't been discussed very much. I'd just like to point out that she fits into his lineup VERY well as an item independant ganker with a stun and aoe. Also would be his nullfire carrier.
If we pick pyro/tort, he picks predator and hag, then valk last pick. We get kraken/jester/disciple/whatever and occasionally win a teamfight but crumble to inferior laning and ganking. Madman pyro/tort is a strong lane, but is it stronger than hammerstorm/jester? Probably not.
The advantage of picking pyro/tort is that tort might be able to handle pebbles mid with good harass from his 'e' skill (lol dont know name lol).
edit 2: I think our picks should be Soulstealer and Pyromancer. Soulstealer can handle pebs mid no problem, and Pyromancer does not need items, and can basically work with madman to set up kills.
edit 3: I could very likely be overrating predator as a threat.
Last edited by chaosmongler; 12-21-2009 at 02:11 PM.
How does a tankish/ganker hero do the same job as a semi-carry like Arachna?
They're both agility gankers, though, beyond that, they aren't exactly similar. Regardless, if we're looking for a ganker, either works. Corrupted's preferred, of course.
What do you expect from a Corrupted early-mid game? To dominate his lane and gank. Arachna can do the same thing.
Late game they are both viable semi-carries.
CD is going to be favored over Valk imo. Besides that I think chaos has thought things out fairly well. I wouldn't be to sure/reliant on him picking predator, but you can easily replace him with the word carry/semi carry if you'd like.
Soul Stealer is awesome but I'm not sure who I'd want to pick (ideally) for this lineup. The one for sure would be pyro, after that it's really up for grabs as all can be legit/useable.
I actually expect a CD and Voodoo pick. With Hammer + Voodoo, maybe CD mid (depends on team preference) and then 5th + pebbs/CD.
Having madman mid is always a possibillity, it'll be easier to decide once the actual picks are done.
Update
Forums: pyro + voodoo
Blockk: hag + tort
corrupted disciple + hag
Torturer and Voodoo
Tort + Voodoo
voodoo kraken
Wretched Hag and Kraken!
corrupted disciple + kraken
Torturer and Deadwood
orturer + eadwood
Deadwood Valkyrie
Wretched Hag + Pyromancer
Torturer+Pyro
Torturer+Pyro
Pyro + Torturer
Pyromacer and Torturer
Pyromancer and Voodoo Jester
Voodoo Jester + Pyro
Pyromancer and Voodoo Jester.
Pyro and Voodoo
Pyro and Voodoo.
Pyromancer + Vodoo
Pyro + valk
armadon and wildsoul
Torturer + Corrupted Disciple
Tort and Disciple
Disciple and Electrician
Voodoo Jester and Valkyrie.
Swift Pyro
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He has massed aoe and will be going for a quick win.
I think we might not be able to let him have kraken. Anyone caught with a kraken ult is instantly dead.
Kraken + deadwood
we can have deadwood solo mid since none of his heroes can out last hit him and kraken gives us a hero who can turtle until madman is a super carry. we will also have a good gank set up this way. madman + pyro lane deadwood, solo mid, kraken + voodoo lane.
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I was actually thinking the same thing, Drasha. We need to be able to turtle against this team, and these two are not squishy at all and can heavily punish any mistakes made.
Kraken + deadwood
edit - remember deadwood was recently buffed and his torrent is easy to hit
kraken + deadwood
If our kraken is good, it's gg
kraken + valkyrie
My beloved Hag is on the enemy team
Kraken + Valkyrie
Kraken is a No-Brainer.
Valkyrie is
a) A Much better Nullfire Carry than Madman
b) Most likely to be played better than Deadwood
c) Also a proficient Ganker, plus Semi-Carry, plus Initiator, plus Life Saver
While MidLane will Suffer some, I find her overall to be the better pick than Deadwood.
Also with a Hag on his team, I don't believe he will throw Pebbles Mid no more,
and by picking Valk we deny him the only ranged Stunner left.
I don't believe we would survive against Pebbles/Valk, Hag Mid and Hammer/Tort.
Last edited by Vulpes; 12-21-2009 at 03:24 PM.
strong points about valkyrie, however deadwood is fairly item independant and could carry nullfire just fine imo
Deadwood + Chronos
Edit: this should be more fun.
Last edited by Czech0; 12-22-2009 at 07:44 AM.
Kraken and Valkyrie
Probably shouldn't let him pick her for his last pick, and I don't think he is going to pick Deadwood.
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