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Blockk out picked The Forums.
The Forums out picked Blockk.
>_>;Originally Posted by Benny884
If I end up agreeing with those rankings and too many people vote puppet we'll have screwed ourself out of the banning phase, but the result will be a more or less symmetric partitioning of the top heroes (which is to say, we lost, but the result was that the rest of the picking is even instead of in our favor).
We could try to force an asymmetric partitioning with 3 on our side using a better strategy, but legion can react by making sure there are 6 left. In that case, we'd want to make our second round picks so that the remaining hero doesn't go well with their first round picks.
...We're probably going to end up banning puppet though.
I think the rankings are wrong. Puppet is highest tier due to poor support in the pool which makes his cc role even better (as well as the fact that puppet doesnt need babysat) and hammerstorm is right below them due to the strong lanes he can get.
In a situation where god tier initiators are banned, kraken jumps way up.
Aye. If we can get HB and Behemoth out of the pool and pick hag+kraken+chronos+2 other ranged or something silly like that it could be an easy win.
We don't touch behemoth or HB. Behemoth is easily the strongest pick in this pool due to lack of counters. He'll pretty much have to ban him, and if bans Behemoth without banning HB we'll just get the strongest hero in pool with him getting none of the god-tier.
Now, he can ban both of them. What do we want to fp if he does? Crayze's rankings seems correct and we're pretty much looking on Puppet, succu, cd and mad. Puppet is probably the strongest of them in this pool, but I'm not sure if I want him yet...
Just don't ban HB or Behemoth.
^ Agreed.
We do not touch Behemoth or Hellbringer, those are the only god tiers in the pool. We have first pick, so we won't use any of our bans on them. If he doesn't ban them, and we don't - we'll still get the best of them; imo Behemoth in this pool.
Although, if he does end up banning one of them, wouldn't we want to FP Puppet? Well, leaving him in the pool could certainly turn out bad as well. I think that OP will either want to leave both in the pool so that there is 1 god tier for each, or he'll want to ban them both.
If he doesn't ban any of them, we suddenly have a big problem if we don't ban puppet. We'll FP behe/hb and he'll pick the remaining one of them + puppet.
EDIT:
So I think we should FB Succubus.
Last edited by chridal; 12-17-2009 at 12:44 PM.
He will probably ban HB and behemoth, Why are we banning puppet, the 3rd best hero here?
We let him tip his hand before banning puppet, Chridal.
If we ban puppet, he can then ban hellbringer AND behemoth, giving himself two great picks to our one, and coming out with an advantage.
do not ban puppet. he is god tier in this pool along with behe and hell
just look at his tier list and try to pick underrated heroes.
People aren't afraid enough of hammerstorm, I think. There is one good nullfire carrier in this pool, and that's valkyrie. Two, I guess, if you count suc. Nullfire is poo on madman since it doesnt address his hp or mana issue. If behe/puppet/hellbringer gets banned and he gets a hammerstorm/pyro lane, we might be hurting.
vote for banning succubus
I see your point.
If we ban Puppet, and he bans Behe+HB we're stuck with nothing (or rather, less than him).
So if we ban Succubus now, we'll force him to ban Behe or HB in his first ban. If he does ban Behe+HB we'll have ourselves an awesome FP: Puppet. If not, we'll 2nd ban Puppet and get either Behe or HB.
Thanks for pointing that out.
We shoul try to get behemoth, hellbringer or puppet as first pick, preferbly Behemoth in my opinion, therefore i vote for a First ban Succubus.
Hellbringer > behemoth
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Hellbringer is the best hero in the game IMO.
First his stats,
Huge strength gain for an Int
Low agi gain (Who needs agi? We get astrolabe for armor anyway)
High Int gain.
Then, one of the best castable slows
A Dot that does serious damage per mana early game
An Aoe Magic armor debuff, the only in the game... Oh wait and it heals him... WTF?
A HUUUUGEE Aoe stun that can be casted from very far away... And it summons a demon that adds huge dps and really pisses everyone off.
His attack animation and base dmg isnt' horrible either...
So if Blockk somehow forces us to ban hellbringer or behemoth as our second ban, ban behemoth
Succubus
BEHEMOTH
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disagree, in this pool. behemoth has no counters, and there are loads of squishy targets.
dont get me wrong, hellbringer is even better than normal here because there are no good babysits, but i think behemoth will be more of a game changer than hellbringer
possibly, but irrelevant to this discussion
we only worry about comparitive strength and synergy within the pool
Why do people just randomly ban behemoth/jereziah/tempest without thinking it through?
They are top bans in competitive play, but that is a different context.
Think it through, there's 2 bans for both blockk and the forums.
We have first pick, If any god tier hero escapes the bans, he is ours to pick.
We are getting Behemoth, Hellbringer or Puppet master UNLESS we ban one of them, then we will get none.
Meh I disagree, force a ban on Behe HB Puppet so we can get Kraken as the only initiator in the pool.
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Pebbles is a strong initiator too, and is a stronger ganker.
Edit: Forcing a ban on all 3 means he's going to get a laning advantage!
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