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Blockk out picked The Forums.
The Forums out picked Blockk.
This round blockk will be doing the picks for me. The forums will have first ban this time. This is being posted 11 hours early because i will be traveling tomorrow this should be updated in 35 hours or so.
Forums pick
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I or another person plays out the ban draft portion of a game against the forums who gets to vote what heroes are banned or added to their team. This game takes around a week to finish then games are hosted to play the two hero pools you can find old rounds of this game to see how it played out.
Round 1: Forums gets 1st ban
Round 2: Player gets 2nd ban
Round 3: Forums gets 3ed ban
Round 4: Player gets 4th and last ban
Round 5: Forums gets 1st pick of 1 hero
Round 6: Player gets 2nd pick of 2 heroes
Round 7: Forums gets 3ed pick of 2 heroes
Round 8: Player gets 4th pick of 2 heroes
Round 9: Forums gets 5th pick of 2 heroes
Round 10: Player gets 6th pick of 1 hero
Last edited by Drasha; 12-24-2009 at 03:14 AM.
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Don't ban Hellbringer, either he will or we'll first pick him. I'd say, potentially Puppet Master. Though I'm not sure.
Last edited by Garyoak; 12-17-2009 at 03:22 AM.
Stuff i looked at when thinking about this hero pool
most likely scenarios if any thing other then this happens i miss judged heroes or the forums or blockk made a mistake.push heroes
wildsoul, torturer, hammer storm
gank heroes
madman, arachna, valk, voodoojester, hag, puppet, hellbringer, pyro, electrician, hammer storm, deadwoodm behemoth, pebbles
stun heroes
madman
valk
voodoo
tortuer
hellbringer
pyromancer
hammer storm
behemoth
pebbles
Tiers are based on pick material with tier 1 being likely ban, tier 2 likely first or second pick, tier 3 last couple picks, tier 4 unlikely to be picked. It is all subject to this pool and would change in any other pool.
Tier 1
madman
succubus
puppet master
hellbringer
behemoth
Tier 2
valk
voodoo jester
torturer
wretched hag
pebbles
Tier 3
arachna
corrupted disciple
soul stealer
pyromancer
hammer storm
deadwood
Tier 4
chronos
wildsoul
black smith
electrician
armadon
kraken
predator
good
Forums: ban t1 hero
Blockk: ban t2 hero
Forums: ban t1 hero
Block: ban t2 hero
Forums: pick t1 hero
Block: pick t1 + t1 hero
Forums: pick t2 + t2
good
Forums: ban t2 hero
Blockk: ban t1 hero
Forums: ban t1 hero
Block: ban t2 hero
Forums: pick t1 hero
Block: pick t1 + t1 hero
Forums: pick t2 + t2
good
Forums: ban t2 hero
Blockk: ban t1 hero
Forums: ban t2 hero
Block: ban t1 hero
Forums: pick t1 hero
Block: pick t1 + t1 hero
Forums: pick t2 + t2
hellbringer is the strongest hero in the pool you don't ban him when you have fp.Originally Posted by Garyoak
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Yea, that's why I changed my post, I just made a rash call, forgetting we had first pick.
1 vote for puppet master to be banned
Hmm didn't see Behemoth. Can be just as annoying as puppet.
Mmm I'll stick with puppet for now.
Ban Puppet master
I don't see any reason for banning puppet master.
I will vote for banning Succubus
I like mind games, I'm not that good but I'm kind of a "technician" instead of a "killer"
Ban behemoth
Tier 1: Behemoth, Hellbringer
Tier 1.5: Puppet Master, Succubus, Madman, Disciple
Tier 2: Pyro, Pebbles, Tort, Hammerstorm, Hag, Jester
He gets 2 bans, meaning at best he can reduce this pool to 4, meaning 2 for us and 2 for him. If we continue banning from this pool of best-heroes, we either reduce it to 1 to 1 or we remain at 2 to 2. Because we get first pick, 1 to 1 is the best scenario. Thus, Puppet Master.
Pick Strat:
Ban Puppet
He bans Behe/Hellb
Ban Succubus/Madman/Disciple
He bans the other of Behe/Hellb
We pick one of Succubus/Madman/Disciple
He picks the other of Succubus/Madman/Disciple + 1 second tier hero.. but there are tons of 2nd tier heroes so whatever.
In case he doesn't use both bans on Behe/Hellb, obviously we first pick the one he didn't ban.
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Wait until he leaves both Behe and Hellbringer, gives us one of them then takes the other plus the last remaining "teir 1.5" hero.
Stay premium, gentlecolts.
If we ban a 1.5 and he bans a 1.5, we can react by banning a 1, and he will ban the other 1. This outcome is equally bad though =/
In this case it seems like we should ban a hero OTHER THAN one of the top 7, if the top 7 are dramatically better than the others, so that we can get such a hero in our second round of picks.
I'll post after finals with my own valuation and a banning strategy based on it.
Kraken is strong and underrated.
Kraken is indeed always underrated, but I think it's because he is usually played really badly, and people don't always know to stand next to the whirlpool, and against any ranged stunners it's more difficult.
Like I said:
Last edited by Benny884; 12-17-2009 at 10:31 AM.
Stay premium, gentlecolts.
>_>;
If I end up agreeing with those rankings and too many people vote puppet we'll have screwed ourself out of the banning phase, but the result will be a more or less symmetric partitioning of the top heroes (which is to say, we lost, but the result was that the rest of the picking is even instead of in our favor).
We could try to force an asymmetric partitioning with 3 on our side using a better strategy, but legion can react by making sure there are 6 left. In that case, we'd want to make our second round picks so that the remaining hero doesn't go well with their first round picks.
...We're probably going to end up banning puppet though.
I think the rankings are wrong. Puppet is highest tier due to poor support in the pool which makes his cc role even better (as well as the fact that puppet doesnt need babysat) and hammerstorm is right below them due to the strong lanes he can get.
In a situation where god tier initiators are banned, kraken jumps way up.
K, suppose he bans 1 Tier 1.5 hero next. We then ban one of Hellb/Behe. Same exact result. Either we get one of the god heroes, or nobody does and we get the best pick for second level. This isn't terribly complicated.
In addition, I'm not so sure that Hellb + another tier 1.5 beats out Behe.
^ If we get the choice between HB and Behe, we FP HB no doubt!
Ban Puppet first.
Except now he's banned one of the T1.5 characters and forced you to ban a t1 character, an advantage for him. In fact you've basically taken a ban from yourself and given it to him for free.
Stay premium, gentlecolts.
No don't first ban puppet, or behemoth, or hellbringer. These are the 3 best heroes, we should take the one of the 3 he doesnt ban.
Ban succubus.
I don't see how you all don't think Kraken isn't the best initiator in that entire pool. Last tier? Hardly. Ban Behe and Pebbles then win every team fight with Kraken.
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