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I think it would be great if a single player mode was implemented in this game, with configurable AI players which can be set with variable levels of difficulty.
Before you dismiss this and vote no, yelling "it's a multiplayer game" just hear me out. Yes I know it's a multiplayer game, but look at so many other multiplayer games which have bots for people to play against, if they want to for whatever reason.
Think about what issues will be addressed by the addition of a single player mode:
1) Total complete noobs playing in your game and have nfi what they are doing. The noobs will be able to play against AI until they get their skills up and actually figure out how to play the game.
2) Leavers. Yes there should be less leavers. I know from personal experience I don't havea great deal of time to play HoN, and often I might get a short window of opportunity, say 30-60 minutes of spare time when I may or may not be able to squeeze in a game depending on how long it takes for the game to kick-off, how long it lasts for, etc etc. Now I usually take the risk and just play, because I love the game and if I only played when I can guarantee I won't have to leave, I would only play maybe once a week. Instead I would prefer to be able to play against AI players when I can't guarantee how much time I have to play. Yes it isn't as satisfying, but it's still better than joining an online game and having to leave half way through.
Last edited by Zadam; 12-09-2009 at 05:39 PM.
Would love to hear what other people think, bumpage.
Coding good AI of enemy heroes would be impossible. Coding bad one would take huge amount of time, that could be spent on new content for example, and wouldn't really solve your problem.
I disagree that coding good AI would be impossible. Sure you couldn't code AI good enough to beat the really good players, but I'm sure it would be possible to create AI good enough to at least give beginners and intermediate players a challenge... There are game far more complex that HoN that have perfectly good AI players.Originally Posted by Voulture
LOL classic..
The amusing thing is(and its very amusing) it isn't impossible and fyi it will help new players and people who want to practice denying or any other skills.
It would also stop all this bs *****ing about people crying how new players "suck" despite being new.
Impossible? really? based on what? your years of coding knowledge and game design?
If it was impossible like you seem to think then DoTA would not have had this...
http://www.getdota.com/ai_maps
I'm pretty sure..you..just...got..owned.
How is the AI in that?
You better get to work coding one when the map editor is released. Else, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
I've been here before almost all of you.
Dude, a singleplayer mode with bots in this game shouldn't be something that has to get implemented in the map editor, and specific to only one map. It should be built into the game engine so that bots can be added to any map, and it can be played in single player mode.
From what i remember playing of the DoTA AI map
it was actually really good for trying out builds,screwing around and learning new heros.
it is no comparison to a decent player but i'd be lying if i said it didn't actually help alot when i was new to the whole DoTA thing.
Also for the comment about the map editor..
Theres a single player mode button greyed out on the main screen.
There is no need for someone to make their own map, nor should it be required due to the fact HoN isn't limited by the constraints of the Warcraft 3 Engine and is a stand alone game.
Of course, lets see what you can learn by playing such... hmmm new builds - oh wait we got practice mode, hmm learning new heros - oh wait, we can spawn them in practice mode and enemy heroes to check how it works, will that learn newbie to deny and last hit, to cooperate with lane mate, will it teach a newbie a bit of map awerness, when to tp and why to carry one, that there is no a single perfect build for any heroes, when to jungle and with which heroes, how to push with a team and how to defend a push, when to put wards and where, how to gank and defend from ones, how to choose lanes and how to pick heroes to suit your team and lanes, or how to stack creeps... And those are just basics.
I am not really good in this game, i have no coding experience but you can rarely see a game (not even rts but in much easier fps games) to see a group of enemies working together. And Hon is all about teamwork.
The point is, that we already got everything that newbie could use to learn how to play, for example, i never played dota before and somehow i learned a bit. Oh, that would be funny. Do you know how do i learn what to build on heroes, how to play on my lane, what are wards and how to use them and what to pick to suit my team? I asked other players. Hilarious, isnt it?
Tldr:
My point is still valid - there are better things in this game for s2 to spent time than bots.
Ps. I always thought LC stands for Legion Civilized, not Legion Cant Discuss So Lets Throw Something Offensive. Should i do the same? I dont know, laugh out your stats or kdr or something? Will it change my points?
Last edited by Voulture; 12-10-2009 at 03:00 AM.
How is what i said not a discussion?
I clearly put my point of view out there since you were arguing it was "hard"
sure there could be better things they could work on and probably are, but it doesn't make this a bad idea. nor would I consider practice mode easy for someone new to just jump in and use, especially with the fact its more a test mode and the item/hero names are all weird.
you could make a shot about my clan, or my stats but they would just be silly, it doesn't counter my reply and would probably dis credit your points.
you got offended by the "you got owned" thing right? because you can't honestly say that's offensive, especially in regards to such a competitive game/community.
i think that while possible to have competitive AI this should not be too high on the list of to do, i personally think it could be good for the new of the new learn the very basics as well as testing out stuff not to mention you could have an option of players ingame replacing somone who disconnected with an AI bot, stats would not count because of the leaver but you could finish your game not completely gimped, tho their would be the problem of the bot not grouping up for team fights and all you could have comands for it.
overall i'd like the feature but if i had to choose between it and some other features probably the other new features(definatly since the work to make the AI would probably take alot of resources that could get out alot of other new things not just one or 2 new small things)
It's pretty obvious HoN will have AI players in the future, so many people brought this to discussion. Dota had decent AI, and that AI was fan-made with the restrictions of the WC3 editor.
You do NOT want S2games making an AI.
No seriously, you don't. I'm dead serious.
I've been here before almost all of you.
I think S2games have better things to work on rather than AI for training mode. If anything, I'd prefer a tutorial (read: interesting, concise, interactive guide) on last-hitting and standard gaming procedures (runes/runechecking, jungling, etc), which I think would benefit new players more. You don't really show new players all of that with bots--throwing so much information without explanation could be too much of an overload.
Your saying that using practice mode is actually a good way to test new builds? Surely you jest? I can guarantee you that 99% of people who want to test a new build today are gonna test it out in a real game, not in practice mode, because testing a new build in practice mode is almost pointless since it doesn't give you any idea at ALL how effective the build is gonna be against intelligent players.
Hahah! Are you serious? You think that a spawned hero in practice mode who is basically a sitting duck can in any way begin to simulate anything close to what it would be like in a real game? Btw, I'm not claiming a singleplayer mode with proper AI will be exactly the same as a real game either, but it will be a hell of a lot closer than practice mode.
If the AI is last-hitting and denying, then why wouldn't it?
Umm yes. Almost every thing you just listed can be learned or practiced to some extent if there was a decent single player mode with a decent AI.
Last edited by Zadam; 12-10-2009 at 06:23 PM.
Firstly just because a suggestion has been made, doesn't mean that S2 should instantly drop everything and work on it RIGHT THIS VERY INSTANT. If they have better things to work on right now, fine, but all I seem to see from them lately is new heroes (do we REALLY need new heroes right now when there are already around a million? REALLY is that the most important thing they should be working on, rather than a way for people to play the game offline to practise/learn/if they don't have time for a full game/if their net is capped or down/etc) ?
A tutorial would indeed be good but it only shows noobs what they should be doing, it doesn't let them practice it, nor does it let beginner players (not complete noobs) practise these things which they already know they should be doing.
I don't understand why people are against it though, other than just to be a negative nay-sayer. If you don't think you would ever use a single player mode with AI, fine, don't use it, doesn't mean other people wouldn't benefit from it!
Read my post again, try not to incline what you though that I said please.
Both of highlighted question will get the same answer - no. But my point was that there will be no difference between what you can do in single player or what you can do in practice mode. Or difference would be minor.
Please, at least try to read before answering next time ;/
Ok, thats one of 10 most basics things that i stated. Wouldn't a short movie showing how to last hit and deny with a simply rule - you will benefit from doing so - be enough? Like, 10 sec tutorial video? We don't really need a full AI for that right?
Same as above - short movie explaining what and why. A tutorial i would even say be enough. Just a 10 min quick introduction to game when you start it for the first time.
Point is still valid - there are much better thing to be added, new heroes and maps to be seeded than wasting time on single player AI OR all a new player could benefit from such can be obtained in much better ways. Such as tutorial, which leads us into:
But... you know, if you know what you should do and need to practice... why not to do it while playing with real people? A normal game. Again, single player gives no advantage than what we already got...
Honestly if you don't agree with this idea there is something wrong with you. This can be something to help new players out who have never played HON or Dota. This game comes with NO instructions on how to play. I only know how to play this game because i've played Dota for ages. I think it was gamespot that did a review on HON and said it looked really good but couldn't give it a real positive review because nobody knew how to play it or what to do in it because there is nothing to explain what is going on. At least with an AI map new players can get a feel of how actual gameplay will be thus knowing "somewhat" how to act and play during a "real" game. Real Talk...... peace
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