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Uh, I'm really not very good. It's pretty obvious by my KDR. Why is it that absolutely no one is willing to help or test or influence newbs in a positive way? Why is everyone so unforgiving of players that didn't play Dota?
Most specific hero guides are full of crap or out dated, and no one seems to be willing to help people improve.
I am beginning to think that pros subconsciously want others to suck so they have an easier time, or are in a higher recognized position of pro-ness. Hell, it may not even be subconscious. It may just be.
Is there anyone here willing to answer my questions or help me in general, instead of telling me to stick to EM games? (Which I get alot.)
Well you shouldn't just stick to EM games, it makes learning Non-EM games harder in the first place. What are your questions?
The advice here will be DON'T stick to EM games.
I wouldn't play EM if I wasn't already good at the game.
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Last edited by Tripwyr; 12-03-2009 at 07:10 PM.
Where are all of the nice people?
im sorry but there is no NICE PEOPLE on teh internet.
Hon
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DotA was a community that stayed together because in-game, everyone is an *******. It was a bonding feature to a fairly small community. It's outdated now that that same community has migrated to a game that needs to grow.
To the OP: There are nice people; not many, but some. After entering a game, just make sure you tell people that you're a noob before hero selection. Also, look at the Big Hero Guide under premium guides, and try and only play heroes rated easy, and stick to non-carry heroes if you don't want your team raging.
It's a team game, and most the time one person on your team can bring everyone down to a loss. Sure some games you can carry a feeder, but most the time not. People are competitive. I myself hate to lose, I try not to rage (don't rage on noobs ever if they say they're noobs). I normally just rage at people who won't listen or respond and act like they're good when they're clearly bad. Just play noobs only games or "no stats" games are even better. No stats games will help you learn while avoiding people in noobs games who want to pad their KdR and rage at you when you don't help them stomp the other team. Get better in no stats games and then move up to noobs only stats games. Also avoid playing against teams of 3-5 locked players.Originally Posted by Vehemence
Once again people will be more likely to help in "no stats" games. Tell them you're new and listen to them. Don't take everything so seriously either. It's the internet, so what if some random guy tells you you're bad. Is that going to effect you IRL? No because you'll never see them.Most specific hero guides are full of crap or out dated, and no one seems to be willing to help people improve.
Also which guides are you saying suck? Most of the guides I have read have been really well written and helpful (stick to the premium guide section). You obviously have to use guides as a template and adjust your builds and strategies according to the other team. But once you play more and learn all the heroes abilites and strengths and weaknesses you will be able to judge your opponents picks and decide which build is best for you.
Make sure you read all the newb guides in the premium guide section (laning guide, warding guide, jungling guide, juking guide). Also the HoN League youtube videos are good too. Go watch FPVoDs posted in the Player Media section of the forums too. I never played DoTA and the guides and videos helped me a lot.
You don't play against pros. You play against pubstars who might think they're pros, but they're not (yes I pub but I don't think I'm amazing or good). I really don't know what else to say about your comment, it seems to be you're just upset about being raged on and you're venting.I am beginning to think that pros subconsciously want others to suck so they have an easier time, or are in a higher recognized position of pro-ness. Hell, it may not even be subconscious. It may just be.
First of all don't play -em games if you want to get better. Ever. Easymode teaches bad habits that will hinder your play in normal mode games if you ever decide to play a normal mode game. Learn the game in normal mode and once you have a firm grasp you can decide if you enjoy -em more than normal.Is there anyone here willing to answer my questions or help me in general, instead of telling me to stick to EM games? (Which I get alot).
These forums are the perfect place to ask questions. There are a lot of helpful knowledgeable people on the Training Grounds forums who help people every day. If you want someone to help you in-game you can post a thread asking for help, but be sure to post times you are available.
All I can say is "deal with it". When I started playing I wasn't that good. People "raged" on me sometimes. But I learned from my mistakes, I got better, and now I can "rage" on bad players. People are dicks because it is an acquired right of those who got good. Once you get good you can be a dick too.
Your stats are significantly worse tham mine. GTFO.
Truly skilled players in a game teach others. Ty everyone ELSE for the advice.
And to the guy that said he'd mentor an American, I am not an American.
Yep, there are only users ! XD
Maybe, there are only men on internet xD
Hon
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For a start what are your questions
This game requires a thick skin, there are a lot of idiots out there. Stick with it though and it becomes rewarding, no matter what level you play at though there are idiots. They just seem to be more advanced at sucking. I know that I can produce some pretty complicated idiocy in my games now.
yeah, HoN really doesnt have very nice people.
i get angry if someone is being super stupid for example one of my teammates like to wander alone thinking he could kill anyone over and over and over again and would not listen to us
other then that people need to learn to help teach those not as stupid as the example i provided LOL
I added quite a few people to the "buddy" list when I first started out. I still have most of those people on my buddy list.
Keep in mind, these aren't those "lemme add you while checking your stats" thing, its playing with/vs them then adding them.
Havent been doing it much recently, but it definitely made my games a lot better in quality
Also, as soon as i got a hold of the game (1700 with a negative kd due to my really shitty first not so few games) i made a new acct D:
All of your stats fail as wellYou play more EM than he does
Well, you COULD spectate over high(er) skill players. For example, me... I have a livestream and it's in my sig, I do some pretty crazy stuff every game and I'm sure you will learn something about gameplay from me, not only hero specific but also general game mechanics/etc.
It's all experience based, the more games you play and games you watch, the better you will get.
Anything other than that? I don't know about other people, but most arn't willing to reach out and help noobs, me included, it isn't fun actually tutoring learning players, not to say we arn't all learning.
I think there also was some 1v1 mentoring thread somewhere, but you can only get so far skill wise trying to build off your own skill. FPVods and livestreams are the best ways to learn, but you have to make sure you pick the correct ones. Any ones that are -EM or have the player getting stupid items like hack and slash are bad choices. Give my stream a shot, I stream from fridays to sundays. Cya.
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There's two types of players. Those who rage when you do something stupid and those who provide construct criticism. Whilst you might get annoyed when they say "Don't do that again" or thereabouts, you should be asking them "How can I stop getting ganked, etc, etc"
You have to meet people halfway on this stuff. People respond much better if you show you want to learn.
9 outa ten times your not gonna meet a nice person an any MMORPG. They scream at you for being noob when they were a bigger noob themselves. The way to fight it is be one of the rare nice guys out there
"A closed mind is like a closed book; just a stack of paper"
So yea, I don't think you know, but HoN isn't an RPG game.
And hint to those aspiring to be "the nice guys":
Don't overdo it, people don't want to know that hack and slash is the worst item in the game.
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Teach a man to fish etc. etc.
HoNReplays Commentaries
Angel's FPVODs
and something a little different:
Ian's DotA Commentaries
Luminous' DotA Commentaries
PinkBlastoise's DotA FPVODs
I've learned a lot about HoN from watching DotA replays. It's definitely not something you can directly translate advice and strategy between, but some skills are universal. PinkBlastoise's videos aren't particularly high-tier and the commentary is a joke, but I learned the importance of couriers, rune whoring, and heavy stat builds from him.
As for guides, all of the guides I've looked at in the Premium Guides forum have given solid advice. Admittedly I don't read all of the threads there, but I imagine they're all very good. Remember that even the best guides can only teach you so much, so you should never really try to follow a guide to the tee. Use them as a stepping stone until you're comfortable enough to just know what items make sense for a given hero in a given game.
Last edited by caveviS; 12-04-2009 at 02:11 AM.
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