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FA is my favorite of all heroes but.. for some reason I always lose games playing as her. I typically average 130CK every 30mins, and usually I hold a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio by mid game but.. for some reason I always lose. Can someone give me any pointers as to why? I could post the replays, but I don't really want to consume your time too much I'm just looking for some simple advice.
I think my biggest issue is; knowing when to gank and when to farm. As a carry, I spend all the time I can farming and I come to help teammates mostly when the fights are near towers and if they aren't I generally assume by the time I run there from the closest tower the fight would be over thus slowing down my GPM. Any advice here?
1) Always carry a homecoming stone
2) Pre-determine your preferred FA playstyle:
~If you have a reliable hard carry, (chronos, scout, etc) go for ganks more instead of farming more.
~If you do not have a reliable hard carry, look to farm for the majority of the time, but always carry a homecoming stone and be ready to help out whenever there is a team fight approaching.
3) Make sure you don't have retards on your team. That usually results in you losing. Check stats and talk to them a bit before the match starts to make sure there aren't any douchebags. ... This is kinda impossibe/extremely difficult to tell, but try your best ><
Originally Posted by Genrou
:fors: Honestly, don't try to mimic this guide's items. FA is most deadly when she has a lead on levels because her ult can literally wipe an entire team if you acheive this.
If you try to gun for these gold-heavy items then you're basically chasing your tail unless the opposing team REALLY sucks. I honestly suggest going cookie-cutter... Phase or Steamboots (depending on your preference) and powersupply with ONE soulscream ring. Very dependable core.
Rean is VERY anti-thunderclaw for FA, which I totally disagree with. Thunderclaw is perfect for FA, not only for leveling faster via jungle, but ganking alone boosts your EXP extremely fast. I can't begin to tell you how many kills I've gotten from claw proc's, but it's enough to be a viable core item.
So far as Frostwulf or Frostburn, go frostburn and if anything split that into your wulf/geo combo late game (usually at this point the game is over anyways). Frostburn allows you to affordly build mini items that make a huge difference as you level. Having your Powersupply/Boots/SC Ring/ and Thunderclaw PLUS Firebrand is very nice around the 25ish minute mark. Increased move speed and more damage is perfect.
Note on the "glass cannon" concept, FA is NEVER going to be beefy enough to tank anything, so handicapping yourself with STR items to take more hits is a bad idea. Go for your damage and keep your distance, make yourself versitile and unpredictable - that gets kills and wins games. The more relaxed and comfortable you get with FA, the more fun you'll have and the more wins you'll get.
Take my advice or leave it, but it works for me. I'm 81% FA played about 300ish games post-release (was 91% but have been ARing). I go from about 1.2 - 1.4 KDR, so I'm doing something right. 0% EM btw. kthx bye bye :fors:
Last edited by Shelok; 09-10-2010 at 12:16 PM.
One other thing, when building your Thunderclaw. Farm for the 1600 piece first, then get the gloves and recipe afterwards. A lot of time, by this point if you die you're set back and will be chasing that 1600 which just burns time. Secure it early and the rest will fall into place. Trust me, it makes a huge difference.
To win with FA you're basically in a race against the clock, acheive your core items including thunderclaw by around the 21 minute mark, and you're going to have a very high KDR that game (whether you win or lose).
I usually have a partner in all of my ganks and we pretty much share kills, unless he's a bad boy. Partner with a serious ganker/roamer likeetc.
You can use their skills and damage to get those ganks.
However in team fights its usually best you join the fray nearer the middle as you can swoop in, cripple and then use your ulti straight after to either KS or get more damage so other people can get the kills.
P.s. Too many times I see people not using their skeletons to their advantage! In the early lane phase use them as you get denies etc but when you start farming have them on toggle so you can bring them out when you need them most.
Epic Thanks to Sye for the Signature!
I also recommend looking at the stats of some of the people that post here before you take their advice. Why take advice from someone that has worse stats than your own? ;o
Last edited by Shelok; 09-10-2010 at 12:44 PM.
I would like to know what is your items order. Lets say that we dont need shrunken, you go for frostburn, then? (Hard carry)
For my part i would go boots, frostburn, savage but then i wouldnt know if i should start disemble frostburn for geo and Frostskull or should id rush wingbow then disemble.
a little OT but sometimes people with bad stats have good advise. most bad advise is pretty obvious, but sometimes people like me who lack skills to execute their advise properly in game like to share their knowledge.
I really think this guide needs to update its items.
:fors: is a carry and can't be played otherwise so I don't know why this guide would recommend other builds. Charged Hammer is bad. Don't get it. I really don't know why someone would say that :WhisperingHelm: is a bad pick on a carry. Really.... :SymbolOfRage: is just so ****ing good.
:Steamboots:/:EnhancedMarchers: :GeometersBane: :ShrunkenHead: Core
:SavageMace: :SymbolOfRage: :Wingbow: :Riftshards: :FrostwolfsSkull: Luxuries
:NullfireBlade: :Nullstone: situational
My 2 cents.
Last edited by ObeseSheep; 10-09-2010 at 11:31 AM.
My 2 cents
Why take good advise from someone when you can just troll them for their stats? THAT SOUNDS GOOD
REASON < STATS RIGHT?
Fine go talk to people who have better stats and watch them call you an idiot for saying :ChargedHammer: is a good DPS item. Geez.
Last edited by ObeseSheep; 10-09-2010 at 11:30 AM.
it really needs an update.
and there will be when i will get back into constant gaming in hon.
atm i just dont really know whats popular this days.
actually nvm,updated it to fit latest trends.
this is probably the most untrue thing ever written in this forumFA is most deadly when she has a lead on levels because her ult can literally wipe an entire team if you acheive this.
Ugh... IDK why you would say this on a guide. I don't like Harkons on Scout but I don't reject it. <.<
Why not update it to how she is to be played?...
Ugh... IDK why you would say this on a guide. I don't like Harkons on Scout but I don't reject it. <.< It is still a viable.
WTF i doubled my bad. Sorry.
Last edited by ObeseSheep; 10-10-2010 at 12:32 PM.
um,just get my point.
this guide is for bads. bads suck big time. lifesteal costs 2k. it gives 0 survivability. it wont help them because their damage will be awful because of no farm.
i made this guide for newbies to suck less with her. thats why there are 9000 items in it that increase survivability.
good players dont need guides. and good player will get items accordingly and use his own brains. but for not-so-good players its better to stay away from lifesteal on FA
um...she is pretty straight forward hero. Farm - use 2 skills - rightclick. No special strats or anything. I dont want to write how to play hon in general.
Last edited by Rean; 10-09-2010 at 05:14 PM.
Why don't you write a guide that teachs them how to be good with the hero? I didn't say the game... Survivability items don't make bad players suck less.
Telling them AMAZING items like Symbol Of Rage (that gives the most survivability and farming power then any other luxury you suggested...) are bad is just... why is this in the premium section?...
Garbage... But what ever. A premium guide doesn't have to be good. It has to be nice. <.<
honestly FA is pretty straightforward and extremely easy to get 400+ gpm with if you have a good lane/not a dominated game,enhanced marchers > power supply > geo > FWS (shrunken first incase it's a magic heavy team > savage mace > nullfire/heart/wingbow/riftshards are optionals.
:SymbolOfRage::ShrunkenHead::NullfireBlade::Savage Mace::BehemothsHeart:, and whatever boots you want.
'Nuff said.
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