Forsaken Archer

[[LC]pk_thunder]

if your team has shitloads of magic damage u just ult and get genocide
after everyone used their ultimates that -magic armor wont matter much because fight will be alrdy over

-magic armor won't do u much?!?!

if they are smart they get headdress the it's even more important to get a harkons

[[Empr]Rean]

if they get headdress and idol against heavy magic damage team (which is obvious) then there is COMPLETELY no point in going lifesteal+harkons instead of cookie-cutter damage build

[[LC]pk_thunder]

if they get headdress and idol against heavy magic damage team (which is obvious) then there is COMPLETELY no point in going lifesteal+harkons instead of cookie-cutter damage build

so ur saying /shieldbreaker is worthless cus ppl can just buy an item and then it'll counter it...

[[Empr]Rean]

no1 buys shieldbreaker on support heroes to buff team damage for same reason that no1 buys harkons on semi-carries to buff team damage
you can buy vestments for 400g and completely nullify harkons+decrease damage from spells. and its viable and a smart move because most damage every hero receives comes from spells.
but you wont buy ringmail to nullify shieldbreaker because its just stupid and wont save you from shitloads of damage.

[[LC]pk_thunder]

no1 buys shieldbreaker on support heroes to buff team damage for same reason that no1 buys harkons on semi-carries to buff team damage
you can buy vestments for 400g and completely nullify harkons+decrease damage from spells. and its viable and a smart move because most damage every hero receives comes from spells.
but you wont buy ringmail to nullify shieldbreaker because its just stupid and wont save you from shitloads of damage.

I don't get it

(semi) carrys buy harkons to do magic dmg and help team add dps (makes some support/nuke heroes come out a little more lategame)

(semi) carrys buy shieldbreaker to do physical dmg when the team already has a -armor strat going on


say I have 0 armor/magic armor

I can buy 1 platemails to have +4 armor total (after shieldbreaker), thus making u hit less

you can stack them


I can only buy 1 magic vestment to nullify harkons debuff, but now I am doing basically still doing true dmg to you

if I buy headdress then I have the highest magic armor buff, of 10, which makes it 5 after harkons


if I am a tank hero and I can easily stack armor so most physical hits does reduced dmg

if I am vs someone with harkons, the best I can do is buy a barrior idol and have a 400 magic shield and +5 magic armor.

the problem is if I have a barrior idol, archer can just 2 hits the shield and I only get +5 magic armor or he can turn harkons off until the effect has gone off or until I am dead. I will most likely not suspect archer will build a harkons and it will cost a lot to stack armor and get magic armor at the same time

[[Empr]Rean]

I don't get it

(semi) carrys buy harkons to do magic dmg and help team add dps (makes some support/nuke heroes come out a little more lategame)--------- name me few except scout and puppet

(semi) carrys buy shieldbreaker to do physical dmg when the team already has a -armor strat going on ------------no,thats because carry benefits a lot from it even without massive -armor (shieldbreaker swift for example)


say I have 0 armor/magic armor ---------(lets not step into "what if its vacuum" discussions because both armor and magic armor have diminishings)

if I am a tank hero and I can easily stack armor so most physical hits does reduced dmg

if I am vs someone with harkons, the best I can do is buy a barrior idol and have a 400 magic shield and +5 magic armor.

the problem is if I have a barrior idol, archer can just 2 hits the shield and I only get +5 magic armor or he can turn harkons off until the effect has gone off or until I am dead. I will most likely not suspect archer will build a harkons and it will cost a lot to stack armor and get magic armor at the same time --------------why would you focus on a tank anyway? its just stupid. like some1 will focus fire legionaire lol. if this "tank" focuses on +armor/magic armor items it means he deal close to zero damage. heroes that do close to zero damage are not threats at all.i will just destroy his whole team then watch this "tank" run from 2-3-4-5 of us

:fors:

[[LC]pk_thunder]

:fors:

sometime u just want them dead

[[Empr]Rean]

with harkons u will just die to them
cd will conduit you
SR will just outheal until you run out of mana
defiler will just rape you with ultimate

remember,FA has no scaling abilities. you just listed 3 carries who outcarry her easily
FA is no match for them

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...hp?mid=1102137 defiler made both headdress and barbed. and what will you do to her with harkons? she has shitloads of magic armor,shitloads of hp,plenty of armor and painful ultimate

[bfbfbfbf]

been waiting for a fa premium guide which i can trust. a true very good guide, thanks mate!

really helped me

[Benny`]

You know you could have read this guide when it wasn't premium and made up your own mind on wether to trust it or not lol?

[[Empr]Rean]

You know you could have read this guide when it wasn't premium and made up your own mind on wether to trust it or not lol?

its even more fun that this guide is THE ONLY FA guide on whole forums
no1 else has written it

there is some roamer-FA fail guide but that doesnt count

[[LC]pk_thunder]

with harkons u will just die to them
cd will conduit you
SR will just outheal until you run out of mana
defiler will just rape you with ultimate

remember,FA has no scaling abilities. you just listed 3 carries who outcarry her easily
FA is no match for them

http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/m...hp?mid=1102137 defiler made both headdress and barbed. and what will you do to her with harkons? she has shitloads of magic armor,shitloads of hp,plenty of armor and painful ultimate

the point is too add dps

in those cases u're probably not the main carry (you shouldn't be )

I'm saying if u want to help ur carry harkons is a nice addition if they have chosen to go harkons and/or if ur team can put out shetloads of magic dmg ()

also if ur team decides to get some barbed armor it'll make it even more effective ;P

[[Empr]Rean]

you are not support,you are not here to help team
your job is to carry them to victory

[[LC]pk_thunder]

you are not support,you are not here to help team
your job is to carry them to victory

so u're saying if it's :fors: on a team then archer should carry???

[[Empr]Rean]

archer is semi carry
means u carry all the time just like valkyrie
it doesnt mean that you rice-farm for 40 mins
it means u pwn early with skellies,and own mid/late with ultimate and autoattack

[[LC]pk_thunder]

archer is semi carry
means u carry all the time just like valkyrie
it doesnt mean that you rice-farm for 40 mins
it means u pwn early with skellies,and own mid/late with ultimate and autoattack

u do know that ult has nice synergy for harkons too =.=

plus you could stack ancients for ur hard carry, especially because it's an atk mod now...

[[Empr]Rean]

you do know that u wont be using ultimate from 600 range right?
and stacking ancients is supports job

[[LC]pk_thunder]

you do know that u wont be using ultimate from 600 range right?
and stacking ancients is supports job

you know u shouldn't pick archer if ur team doesn't have nuff stun/immobilize so u can't ult from 600...

not rly, they don't have to
sometimes they're helping distract the other team so ur carry can farm etc etc

[[Hkd]AhilE]

what do u take on very very long games (around 60 minutes) - I used to love FA before the huge nerfs but I playied her in 2 games yesterday and both times I feel lacking and useless after 45 minutes.

I simply get focused and die right away, also ganking after that point will not happen (u just roam in team back and forth - and gank forest if u get lucky)

so anyway, my damage seems to not do the job anymore and like i said she dies in 3 hits (or 1 stun and 2 hits )


(usually the items I picked were Ghost Marchers/ SoulScream Ring/ Charged Hammer/ ShieldBraker / (and after that I`m on the way to Frostwolf but generally I don`t get to finish it)


so I stress again, the first 20-30 minutes FA is total ownage but after that it is just simply useless.

how the heck do u guys play her?

[[Empr]Rean]

I simply get focused and die right away

and this is why

(usually the items I picked were Ghost Marchers/ SoulScream Ring/ Charged Hammer/ ShieldBraker

you get pure damage items that add 0 hp
get steamboots,frostburn,shrunken,geometers/wingbow and u wont die fast