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    Predator - prey on the weak, feast on the strong

    I found out that there isn't any satisfactory guide about Predator so, I've decided to put forth all my energy into this futile attempt, and write one!
    I hope you find it interesting, easy to read, or at least helpful.

    Predator


    A brief description about Predator.
    Predator is a STR hero with quite unique skills, some of them resemble Naix's in Dota, but that's only half of them. He is considered late game hero, but he can work out well in mid game as well, however requires some attention at early game. He is a pure damage dealer without any damaging spells, relies only on attacking and preying on his enemies.
    For those who might be interested , here is , his background story:
    With huge, lance-like claws of solid bone emerging from their forearms, and spikes fit to impale the strongest foe spread across their hard shell, Predators seem more like daemons than Beasts. The men who fight beside them look at them with recollected fear from the days the Predators hunted humans, not daemons. But the hunger, speed, and rage they bring to bear against the Hellbourne are a welcome boon.
    I'll explain his skils in more detailed manner than the game does:

    Venomous Leap:

    The Predator leaps toward an enemy unit, then strikes them with venomous claws. The enemy takes some damage and is slowed briefly.
    Type: Physical
    Range: 650
    Cast Time: 0.7 Seconds
    Mana Cost: 90
    Cooldown: 20.0 / 17.0 / 14.0 / 11.0 Seconds
    Required Level: 1 / 3 / 5 / 7
    Activation
    Leaps toward target, dealing 75 / 125 / 175 / 225 Magic damage and applying Venomous for 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 seconds.
    Venomous Effects
    40% Movement Slow

    That's what the game says.

    My explanation, this skill make you jump to your target slowing them a lot and dealing some damage, helping you get closer to ranged heroes (since you are melee). It can work as the initiator of your spells, bringing you into combat range and slowing the target helping your allies to reach him. It has quite short cooldown on the 4th level that you should not hesitate to use it first. It also works on magic immune units, but the slow and the damage doesn't apply, you just leap to the target, which is quite useful sometimes.

    Stone Hide

    The Predator makes his hide like stone, granting him Magic Immunity, dispelling debuffs, and increasing his armor temporarily.

    Action:Target Self
    Cast Time: 0.1 Seconds
    Mana Cost: 75
    Cooldown: 15.0 Seconds
    Required Level: 1 / 3 / 5 / 7
    Activation
    Dispels debuffs and applies Stone Hide to self for 3 / 3.75 / 4.5 / 5.25 seconds.
    Stone Hide Effects
    Immunity Type: MagicImmunity1
    3 / 6 / 9 / 12 Armor

    That's maybe the most important skill for Predator. Good use of this results in a good Predator, bad use, results in a bad Predator, simple things. You can mess up with the other skills, but if you do with this one, you fail your game (more explanation about why later).This skill grants you Magical Immunity and boosts your physical armor as well for a maximum of 5.25 seconds. the colldown again is quite short meaning you can have it twice is many battles.

    Carnivorous

    The Predator feasts on his opponents flesh with each attack, allowing him to topple the mightiest warriors. Each attack damages opponents for a percentage of their current Health, and heals the Predator based on the damage dealt.

    Passive
    Required Level: 1 / 3 / 5 / 7
    On Attack
    Deals Physical damage to targets equal to 4 / 5 / 6 / 7% of their current Health and heals you for the same amount.
    Does not work on Boss units.

    Your source of damage. That's how Predator survives, kills and farms. Many confuse this skill with Lifesteal. No it's not Lifesteal, it may give you hp when you attack, but it doesn't steal life.It can deal huge amount of damage if your enemy is on full hp and has much life, and it can do pretty much anything if you enemy is low on hp.

    Terror

    The Predator roars, instilling terror in nearby enemies, reducing their armor. Allies who attack enemies affected by terror will receive increased attack and movement speed.

    Action:Target Self
    Type:Enemy Heroes
    Type: Physical
    Radius: 450
    Cast Time: 1.0 Seconds
    Mana Cost: 50 / 75 / 100
    Cooldown: 60.0 Seconds
    Required Level: 6 / 11 / 16
    Activation
    Applies Terror to targets in radius around self for 20 seconds.
    Terror Effects
    -2 / -4 / -6 Armor
    When attacked, buffs attacker's attack speed by 20 / 40 / 60 and movement speed by 15% for 4.5 seconds

    Terror is buff for your and your allies. Ensure that enemies wont go far alive and boosts your damage output. Since it works on area around you, it's better not to cast it for one running enemy but when you leap into a bunch of them.


    I will begin with an item build guide and justify it later while explaining the gameplay of predator.
    you start with 603 gold (meaning you didn't random predator and you are playing "All-heroes" mode) and you get these:


    When you get your 1st 900 gold, you start buying
    In the following order, these:

    --------

    So basically up to now you got:



    The Runes of blight should no longer be there as you will have used them.
    Your shopping list continues like this:



    Until here, this is your CORE ITEM build, should be the same on every of your Predator game since it doesn't result from your enemies choices, but rather from Predator's needs.

    What to buy next?

    Your next items are not core. What that means? That means you can alter them depending on your game's needs. However I've noticed that i rarely need to buy something else other than these:

    One of these 2, not both.(explaining why later.)



    And these.



    So your final items would be these:



    or these



    Now the most crucial part of the itembuild in this guide. HOW Predator plays, WHY these items, WHY not others, HOW to utilize them.

    Predator is very fragile at start, he cant last hit creeps easily and he can escape easily if ganked. So it's much more profitable for you and your team, to leave a 2nd lane to solo, and go jungling at neutral creeps.
    So in order to help you jungling you level your skills like that:

    1- Carnivorous
    2- Venomous Leap
    3- Carnivorous
    4- Venomous Leap
    5- Carnivorous
    6- Venomous Leap
    7- Carnivorous
    8- Venomous Leap
    9- Stone Hide
    10- Terror
    11- Stone Hide
    12- Stone Hide
    13- Stone Hide
    14- Terror
    15- Stats
    16- Terror
    17 to 25- Stats

    You will notice that jungling is quite easy* with this skill-build and these item. When you get your 1st 900 gold, go to the Outpost that is on the 2 corners (almost) of the map and buy your Hungry Sprit. Now Jungling doesn't cost you any life at all.
    *
    Easy creeps that you should target on lvl 1-3

    these are low dmg creeps that dont damage you a lot


    Creeps you should avoid before level 3 at least

    Always aim for the easiest of each group, because it will give you exp faster and help you level your abilities.


    Creeps you should avoid before getting Hungry Spirit

    These wolves are the worst prey out there, low life, high damage and critical, they will lower you in seconds, avoid them at start at all costs.

    You keep jungling at your neutrals, until you get Elder Parasite and Marchers (ofc you can gank at the closest lane when your ally asks you, your slow is quite useful).When you have Elder and Enchanted Marchers (from the point you can sell Iron Buckler whenever you feel it) ganking should be very often at your close, but you still farm there it's quite fast gold.

    Why Elder Parasite and Enchanted Marchers?
    The reason is simple and important. When you will have your lvl 4 Stone Hide, you got 5.25 seconds with nothing being able to stop you, in that time you should do the most damage you can without creeps/heroes blocking your path. So Elder Parasite gives you that insane boost for these few seconds and E. Marchers helps you run through everything to chase your target. Also you can use Elder Parasite to farm faster when you dont have Stone Hide ready to kill Heroes.

    Next is Insanitarius.
    Designed for STR carries this item works similarly with Elder Parasite. Gives you a huge boost for limited time (because you can't have it activated for long due to the damage taken). With these so far, any, at lvl 12 any INT hero is a prey and many other that dont have an escaping skill (like blink).

    Now that the core build is over, lets go to the after-build. Many will have different opinions on these , that's why i ran thought some statistics to help some people see clearer the big picture.

    Hack and Slash vs Shieldbreaker.

    There is no correct choice between them. Each one has different purpose.
    H&S helps you chase efficiently and attack faster (and gives you a certain amount of hp), while Shieldbreaker combined with your Terror reduces your enemy's armor a lot and helps you deal much more dmg. In which case to buy these?
    If your enemies consist of disablers/nukers/STR heroes that move fast or escape (like behemoth for example) most effective would be Shieldbreaker, since they will have very low armor (INT, STR heroes) their armor value might also go to a negative value which means tons of damage.
    If your enemies have 2-3 Agil heroes or heroes that can escape easily (like Rampage who is fast, Pestilence, Maliken , Accursed) H&S is more effective, since it will ensure your hunt, while Shieldbreaker wont get Agil heroes to negative armor, H&S will kill not let them escape even if they need few more hits.

    Savage Mace, why to buy it.

    Savage mace gives a good amount of dmg , a decent amount of attack speed, and makes your attacks NEVER miss. quite important against agility heroes that have evasion from wingbow or other skills. Since you are a carry you will need damage in pure form rather than STR.

    Wingbow

    Wingbow. why buy an agility item on Predator. Wingbow may not give high damage, but gives high damage per second. You may not see it on your "Damage" tab , but you do much more damage with it. Simply, because you attack much faster. Another very important reason is that it works well with your Stone hide. While immune, the only thing that can hurt you is Attacks and Physical Damage. Wingbow provides you with armor and evasion, making you almost invulnerable while in Stone Hide.

    What items to avoid:

    Riftshards:

    Why avoid when it's good offensive item? Predator's life may be not high , but he "gets" back life with his Carnivorous skill. He gets maximum when the enemy is at full hp and in every next hit he gets less. If you have riftshards and you achieve a critical hit, the enemy has lost much hp, and you gained hp only once. Meaning that it reduces your surviveability during combat. However if you increased your attack speed and damage steadily (like with Savage Mace) you will still make him hurt a lot and absorb much life too.

    Behemoth's Heart:

    Although a clearly STR originated item, it doesn't help Predator at all. He survives thourgh attacking and this one isn't an offensive item.

    Helm of the Black Legion:

    Exactly same reason as Behemoth's Heart and it's much gold wasted when not needed.

    Not exactly avoid but... (see below)

    Daemonic Breastplate:

    While it helps a lot, Wingbow does the same job practically. The differences are that with Daemonic you got a bit more surviveability and the auras while with Wingbow you got more DPS. (you will see more differences in the table below)

    Here are some statistics from a Predator 25 lvl. (under the buffs of Parasite, Terror, Stone Hide and Insanitarius)**

    -With Elder Parasite, Enchated Marchers, Insanitarius, Savage Mace, Wingbow, Hack and Slash

    Damage Per Second : 902.5
    PHP : about 8500
    MHP : about 3000
    Movement speed : 522

    -With Elder Parasite, Enchated Marchers, Insanitarius, Savage Mace, Wingbow, Shieldbreaker

    Damage Per Second : 982
    PHP : about 7500
    MHP : about 3000
    Movement speed : 500

    -With Elder Parasite, Enchated Marchers, Insanitarius, Savage Mace, Daemonic Breastplate, Hack and Slash

    Damage Per Second : 827.5
    PHP : about 10000
    MHP : about 3000
    Movement speed : 522

    -With Elder Parasite, Enchated Marchers, Insanitarius, Savage Mace, Daemonic Breastplate, Shieldbreaker
    Damage Per Second : 907
    PHP : about 9000
    MHP : about 3000
    Movement speed : 500

    Well replacing Wingbow with Deamonic isn't huge change as you see, so it's not bad to do it (i never do it tho, i prefer wingbow).

    All item choices are chosen with 1 and only 1 strategy. As a predator with your mighty stone hide. YOU MUST do the most possible damage on your time given immune. Fail to do that, will result in a failed Predator.

    ** These statistics are all without reductions being applied, simply because each target has different armor.

    There is no point in mentioning easy victims from Predator, because almost everything is a prey if you follow this guide. There are some exception though which are worhy mentioning. The following are hard enemies for Predator:

    His Disarm is Predator's worst enemy. Even nerfed now (1 second) still makes your life very hard. Don't provoke him to target you.
    Don't let her do the bait and lure you out of combat. She can sleep herself and you will just lose your stone hide buff.
    His ultimate spell....your worst nightmare. It's always wise to tell your allies to provoke Jera use his ulti before you charge in.
    Careful with this one too, leaping to him may result in you silenced, meaning no Stone Hide, meaning easy prey for the others.It is good to lose 1-2 second of stonehide and apply it before you leap on Vindicator.

    There is one item also that can ruin a Predator, or at least if you were Predator's prey, now you are not. This item is found with the name Void Talisman.

    Since your damage is just your attacks, Void Talisman that renders someone immune to attacks and Physical damage (and lasts almost as long as your Stone Hide) can lure you and make you a bait. Check enemies' invetories. If you see that, DON'T choose him as your 1st target at all costs.


    The end for the moment.
    I'll update the guide with some screenshots and things i forgot to add (these exist , always) in the near future, stay tuned.
    Last edited by Nedrapter; 11-23-2009 at 07:08 AM.
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    Disagree with not getting Stone Hide at level 1/2. Also no game should you ever get a HnS over a Shield Breaker.

    Other than that it's pretty good.

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    no stone hide in early (which is just god damn nice against half of the enemys)
    that means, no poison remove from slither
    no slow/dot/healdot remove from hellbringer
    no smitten remove (even if it never happenes on early levels)
    no protection against swiftblade whirl.

    and there are even more examples (also nice against accursed/jere which you know will heal soon or the shield is about to break, or extrem case magmus ultimate)

    pred does the most dmg with his basedmg, the leech is not the main source, and maxing out leap is always the better choice since 5sec slow > 3 sec+ a lil bit more dmg

    while elder parasite is rather funny to play with pred, it still sucks on him, making him a glasscannon, and he is mostly the first hero that jumps into the other team.

    i also don't get your logic with riftshard, if i understand you correct you try to steal as much life as possible from the enemy, and not to kill him as fast as possible (which is always the aim). get symbol of rage if you need that desperetaly the leech (another point against parasite, because you NEED symbol of rage later on, not because of the HUGE lifesteal bonus, but also of additional strenght)

    the next point would be your starting items, you point out to buy at first hungering spirit, and then later on hatchet and shield? those serve a much better purpose early on, and the additional lifesteal is wasted so early on.
    (if you get some lvls and got bracer or somethink like that, you would have an dmg of around 100, that means 10hitpoints were stolen + some from the passiv skill) lifesteal gets better the more dmg you get, thats why you should keep it out at the beginning.

    wingbow vs demonic breastplate.

    well, wingbow is better if you fight some tough physical dps'ler, however, breastplate provides your team an bonus to armor and speed, and decreases the armor of enemys even further, together with shieldbreaker (which is ALWAYS the better choice then hack and slash on pred) and terror your team can rip your target very fast appart.


    the next point would be jungling, while pred is able to jungle very well without much effort, it is quite inefficient at the beginning, because of his slow killspeed. start jungling when you get some additional dps/or attack speed items.
    also add some detaills about creepstacking, since it will increase his income from jungling rather fast.

    thats my 2 cents for now.

    edit: you should also suggest 2x bracer or 1x bracer + 1x power supply for the beginning. i also see that you have absolutely NOTHING for life except insatirus, throw out that parasite and grab a symbol of rage or a behemoth's heart.
    Last edited by Skull4er; 11-22-2009 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMartin View Post
    no game should you ever get a HnS over a Shield Breaker.
    Any valid reason for that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMartin View Post
    Also no game should you ever get a HnS over a Shield Breaker.
    I think you're wrong. Shieldbreaker allows more damage, but how are you going to hit get, say, a corrupted disciple when he's running. You can leap, yes, but then it cools down and he escapes. With HnS at least you have a chance of slowing.

    Leap hits twice by the way, allowing HnS to have a chance to proc twice.

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    I always pick Stone Hide in early levels. Truth is that carnivorous is quite useless if you are a last hit player like me. Just make the math, if you have 60 attack a creep needs to have at least 55 hp. Now 55*0.06 = 3.3 bonus HP, witch is quite low.

    I know this sounds nub but ... what is PHP and MHP ?
    I am however intrigued with wingbow. I would definitely go for daemonic breastplate but if your statistics are correct, than that's something I have to try.

    I am also happy you added that damn item to the list, I thought no one knew about it. Oh wait ... I am a pred player ... NOOOOO you added the forbidden item, God curse you :P

    Also, Vindicator silence is an aura, it will be activated EVERYTIME you cast a spell near him.

    You may also want to add the following enemies to the list:
    - Panda: his ultimate and stuns are all physical and will hurt you no matter what.
    - Arachna: a powerful slowing hero that ignores stone hide as well.
    - Rampage: though his stuns deal magic damage, you will still get stunned ... he has 3 stuns abilities btw ...

    Yet another tutorial that doesn't teach about the Predator Bomb tactic...
    It is a simple tactic and it needs 2 people: Accursed or Jere.
    Accursed:
    - Shield predator. When jumping we will take damage and the shield will explode. Devastating at low levels it uses the enemy tower against the enemy. If the enemy is low HP, you can kill him with your 1st skill, or heal pred if he needs.
    Jere:
    - Simillar to the above. Pred jumps in, you wait for him to take damage and then you heal him.
    You can also pick the magic shield, thus allowing pred to focus carnivorous build instead of stone hide. If you are fighting 3 or more casters, then you can still cast it on pred, and then let him use stone hide, giving him nearly 20 secs of magic immunity.

    For more information please see this post:
    http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...5&postcount=19

    Hope it helps.
    Last edited by FlamePhoenix; 11-22-2009 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    I always pick Stone Hide in early levels. Truth is that carnivorous is quite useless if you are a last hit player like me. Just make the math, if you have 60 attack a creep needs to have at least 55 hp. Now 55*0.06 = 3.3 bonus HP, witch is quite low.
    No carnivorous isn't useful against lane creeps. I never said that. But if you read the whole guide, you would see that i suggest jungling until 10-12 lvl (with some ganks in your closest lane).

    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    I know this sounds nub but ... what is PHP and MHP ?
    I am however intrigued with wingbow. I would definitely go for daemonic breastplate but if your statistics are correct, than that's something I have to try.
    PHP is HP after applied reduction from armor
    MHP is HP after applied reductions from magic armor.

    Meaning how much actualy hp you got against attacks/spells.
    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    I am also happy you added that damn item to the list, I thought no one knew about it. Oh wait ... I am a pred player ... NOOOOO you added the forbidden item, God curse you :P
    What item?
    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    Also, Vindicator silence is an aura, it will be activated EVERYTIME you cast a spell near him.
    That's why im suggesting to prepare your Stone Hide buff before you get near him
    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    You may also want to add the following enemies to the list:
    - Panda: his ultimate and stuns are all physical and will hurt you no matter what.
    - Arachna: a powerful slowing hero that ignores stone hide as well.
    - Rampage: though his stuns deal magic damage, you will still get stunned ... he has 3 stuns abilities btw ...
    Harder than the rest, but not that hard to make them exceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    Yet another tutorial that doesn't teach about the Predator Bomb tactic...
    It is a simple tactic and it needs 2 people: Accursed or Jere.
    Accursed:
    - Shield predator. When jumping we will take damage and the shield will explode. Devastating at low levels it uses the enemy tower against the enemy. If the enemy is low HP, you can kill him with your 1st skill, or heal pred if he needs.
    Jere:
    - Simillar to the above. Pred jumps in, you wait for him to take damage and then you heal him.
    You can also pick the magic shield, thus allowing pred to focus carnivorous build instead of stone hide. If you are fighting 3 or more casters, then you can still cast it on pred, and then let him use stone hide, giving him nearly 20 secs of magic immunity.
    Since early game you are in neutrals, that cant happen. Later on, their shield is much more needed in others than you, that you are already immune.
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    No stone hide early game will turn into your undoing. I also disagree with Elder's parasite. Even in stone hide mode, any autoattacking hero, especially agility carries will do huge amounts of damage to you. You'll die faster.

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    You'll die faster.
    If you rush in without any support, than yes.
    I usually use elder parasite for hunting, so dying is not something I am worried about because the enemy usually dies within the first 4 seconds of slow.
    Using Elder Parasite will help me (as a pred) to get the maximum damage output in those 4 seconds.

    BTW; Stone Hide icon is wrong.
    Last edited by FlamePhoenix; 11-22-2009 at 03:44 PM.

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    For those that want Stone Hide early. WHen you are at woods until lvl 10 almost, why you need immunity against creeps?

    The one saying that elder parasite makes you take tons of dmg: Stone hide compensate you with armor, so the damage is less, but anyway nothing will turn and hit a rampaging oredator with immunity and elder activatedm unless they want to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamePhoenix View Post
    If you rush in without any support, than yes.
    I usually use elder parasite for hunting, so dying is not something I am worried about because the enemy usually dies within the first 4 seconds of slow.
    Using Elder Parasite will help me (as a pred) to get the maximum damage output in those 4 seconds.

    BTW; Stone Hide icon is wrong.
    If you mean about these, yes they are correct totally.
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    H&S is horrid, and if you want attack speed, just get daemonic breastplate or charged hammer (why will no one consider this item?) instead of wingbow (did you take the -5 armour into consideration with the daemonic calculations?). The evasion might be nice for countering bashers, but you might aswell just get the bracelet and work on more productive items

    If you want to mass attack speed, you might aswell throw in brutaliser there too if your facing another carry (Especially pestilence)

    Pred is also a stupidly slow jungler at level 1, so unless your constantly pulling, your never going to be as levelled as you would in a lane, and with a nuke/slow he makes for decent FB opportunities.

    The point of Eldar on most carries, is that the lifesteal you will gain back from attacking at an increased rate offsets the increased damage you take. However most carries dont get this as they are squishy enough and likely to get nuked and die with their low HP pool. With pred however, eldar lets you lifesteal even more with your passive, and stonehide+shrunken will prevent you from eating a %30+ nuke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llama View Post
    H&S is horrid, and if you want attack speed, just get daemonic breastplate or charged hammer (why will no one consider this item?) instead of wingbow. If you want to mass attack speed, you might aswell throw in brutaliser there too if your facing another carry (Especially pestilence)
    What if you want more ms? H&S is mostly for the huge ms bonus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Llama View Post
    Pred is also a stupidly slow jungler at level 1, so unless your constantly pulling, your never going to be as levelled as you would in a lane, and with a nuke/slow he makes for decent FB opportunities.
    In my games im on worst case 1 lvl behind the lane. He is a bit slow at start but with some pulls and elder is quite faster than lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llama View Post
    H&S is horrid, and if you want attack speed, just get daemonic breastplate or charged hammer (why will no one consider this item?) instead of wingbow (did you take the -5 armour into consideration with the daemonic calculations?). The evasion might be nice for countering bashers, but you might aswell just get the bracelet and work on more productive items

    If you want to mass attack speed, you might aswell throw in brutaliser there too if your facing another carry (Especially pestilence)
    good post and agree

    i just breastplate + brutalizer most games

    with a shieldbreaker (either yours or teammates) that's some ridic armor pen... if pest and/or shaman on team and all the armor penetration **** lined up everything will just get 3~5 shotted

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    Nedrapter, what about my suggestions ? ='(

    In my games im on worst case 1 lvl behind the lane. He is a bit slow at start but with some pulls and elder is quite faster than lane.
    I disagree. If you creep instead of supporting your team (that has now 4 players because you are in the jungle) you will never gain more xp.

    And please, use the "edit" feature. It makes your posts easier to read.

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    What if you want more ms? H&S is mostly for the huge ms bonus.
    Eldar ~12% increase+ulti increase and a 40% slow isn't enough? I guess if your really desperate, but you could always grab geometers bane instead for uber lifestealing images (becha didnt think of that one eh? )

    Im also pretty sure skeli camps are easier than wild hunters, but ill do some research on that
    [EDIT]Skeli camps do less damage, give more xp+gold bounty, but come it groups of 2 (more inefficient hits) and have around 100hp more in total, so I guess they are about equal with wild hunters, but definitely shouldnt be in line with the catman camp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llama View Post
    Eldar ~12% increase+ulti increase and a 40% slow isn't enough? I guess if your really desperate, but you could always grab geometers bane instead for uber lifestealing images (becha didnt think of that one eh? )

    Im also pretty sure skeli camps are easier than wild hunters, but ill do some research on that
    [EDIT]Skeli camps do less damage, give more xp+gold bounty, but come it groups of 2 (more inefficient hits) and have around 100hp more in total, so I guess they are about equal with wild hunters, but definitely shouldnt be in line with the catman camp
    Yea skeli are a bit easier than catman, but it's good to avoid these before 3 lvl. About geometer's bane, that's joke item for predator I know hack&slash is considered noob item since it just gives a bit of anything a bad player needs and doesnt do any significant change on most of heroes, but i find that it's good for predator.
    For example there are times that i leap in kill someone in the time im immune and then i need to escape. Without hack and slash i usually dont manage to escape, cos everyone runs about same as fast as me (even with elder activated, ranged disables reach you before you get out of range), but having slash's bonus you are in 522 ms.
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    Thanks to Desirable for the Lelouch : )

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    Shieldbreaker > HnS in ANY game.

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    Shieldbreaker > HnS in ANY game.
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    Thanks to Desirable for the Lelouch : )

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