Question about APM

[nugy_Sun]

To start with Im a so-so player, but for quite a while Ive been wondering does APM have anything to do with how good a player is(in what way just to see if Im thinking right)? If so, please tell me how do I get better at it or train to increase it?
My best APM when just playing normally is 120, but thats the max. Usually I vary from 60(junglers)-[80->110(carry)] ->120(just happens)

[twinkle93]

APM does not equal skill, but skill requires a high apm. Basically with a higher apm it just means you're able to react faster, however, you still have to be able to react in the "correct" way.

[[f13]zstarkey42]

There's no direct correlation between your supposed 'skill' and 'apm'. Most good players will have a slightly high apm number because they react faster to events or put more effort into last-hitting. However, having a high apm doesen't mean you're using your clicks and movements in a useful way, and some players are more efficient with their actions than others, generally obtaining the same results with lower APM. Contrary to popular belief, HoN does not require super high apm to be sucessful. This isn't SC. There are a ton of top players with apm around 100-120, while some people spike it to over 200 and aren't nearly as good.

TD;DR: Higher apm does not make you a better player. It's quite irrelevant and heavily depends on which heros you're playing.

[Wizad]

zstarkey42 studied mathematics and statistics, you should listen to him.

What is important in games: ordering lots of good commands. Without a sufficient apm, you are not ordering a lot of good commands. With just a high apm, it could be that you're ordering the courier to fly(hopefully) in circles, which also means you are not ordering a lot of good commands.

So if you want to become better, focus on commanding your units to do the right things.

[[noBM]Unrelated]

Basically everything has been said.

tl;dr is something like:

High APM doesn't mean you are good but good player are more likely to have high APM.

edit:

So if you want to improve focus on other things, your apm will probably go up with that.
Also I would say to a certain amount, APM is related to skill. For example I don't know a single 1700+ player with less than 100 APM average. Also heavily depends on the hero you are playing.

[[SBT]Doomhammar]

It's most of the time how you can use all your actions per minute. 100APM player can be as good as 200APM player, but if you are getting bellow 60APM I would get very suspicious.

[[RCT]`blackbird`]

I saw an extremely good ophelia player and he ended up with only ~90 APM

I just click a lot so my APM is generally always in the 150s

[Wizad]

Is there any way to see someone's MMR while on the forum?

[[noBM]Unrelated]

I saw an extremely good ophelia player and he ended up with only ~90 APM

I just click a lot so my APM is generally always in the 150s

I believe that while you have you your minions selected as Ophelia it doesn't register the actions as yours, resulting in relatively low APM. Not sure though

Is there any way to see someone's MMR while on the forum?

Not on the forum, but you can go to http://www.honedge.com/ and quickly type in the name.

[Antyfaszysta]

99% of high apm is clicking on the ground like a perverted mother****er
And that's waht I do

[[iG]iNsania]

the higher your apm the EASIER it is to get percise movement

HOWEVER

APM means nothing, some competitive players play with 300 (veldt) and others play with 80 (sender/khezu)
anything works its just whta u prefer.

[[msry]Rkey]

APM doesn't matter at all.

[[RCT]`blackbird`]

Is there any way to see someone's MMR while on the forum?

just search their name

I believe that while you have you your minions selected as Ophelia it doesn't register the actions as yours, resulting in relatively low APM. Not sure though

Eh but if you're going to micro 3 creeps and your hero + skills while also getting items and such I'm surprised it isn't in the 100s at least. Does every button press registered as 1 APM?

[Skinsword]

As long as you don't have lethargic apm (less than 60), then you are fine. Heroes that require good positioning or skills that has lots of activation points (kinesis), generally calls for high apm. I average around 130-140 apm per game, but I notice that my apm spikes massively during the laning phase to 220-240. Even with junglers, I still have at least 130 apm so I can clear the creep wave efficiently, pull the lane, or stack camps.

My girlfriend has higher apm than me (somehow) and for the most part, she isn't that great of a player. However, its surprising when I see her pop 180 apm averages on heroes like rampage or monarch. On the flipside, my girlfriend's trashy Runescape friends gets like 30-50 apm game and they play atrociously. One even actually asked me how to improve their apm, and I just turned off my computer and smoked a cigarette out of sheer anger.

[[S2]MacroHard]

APM is calculated by the total number of clicks/actions occur over the entire match divided by the length of the match.

If you watch streams of players with 200+ APM they simply right-click the same spot on the ground over and over again. It is impossible to reach 200 APM without spamming clicks in this fashion. Other players (such as myself), click once for each action they wish to take. I generally never click the same spot twice. Since most of the match is movement, strategy, and positioning, this mentality will often net 80 APM or even lower.

Yes, when action happens good players will spike to 300+ APM... but when averaged over an entire match these spikes get watered down. The net result is that APM is simply a measurement on how a player spams clicks while moving in between skirmishes.

For example, take two skilled players, one who spam clicks one who does not...

10% of match: Important moments where high APM is truly beneficial. Both player reaches 300 APM during these moments.
5% of match: Dead. Minimal APM.
85% of match: In-between strategic moments. One spam clicks at 200 APM, the other does not make redundant actions and averages 60 APM.

Spam clicker: 200 APM
Efficient clicker: 81 APM

I'm not trying to say that spam clickers are "bad" or "posers"; it's simply a play-style preference. Some people do it so that they stay warmed up or because it forces their mind to stay active and alert.

Since the vast majority of a match is spent either dead or moving, APM isn't really a measurement of skill. If your goal is to become a better player you should focus on core mechanics, strategies, and overall game knowledge. The APM will come naturally. "Working at improving APM" is not a recommended path to follow.

[[E]Clytemnestra]

^well click spam is nice because you want your hero to take a certain path,not the shortest one calculated.ex:i want to take top rune from mid,i can go on the ledge or in the river.

[nugy_Sun]

Wow! Didn't expect so many answers so took a while to read everything. Thanks to everyone for their answers! guess im more of an efficient clicker(I Hope) than an apm spammer...

[tidds]

AngryTestie has incredibly low APM for a guy that was once a SC2 professional and 1#player.
In SC he has high APM (more than 200 prob) but in HON his avg is around 110. You just have to learn how to be efficient. My apm is around 130, but when I play Nomad/Monkey King/Armadon (mostly Armadon) my apm goes higher than even 220 (had 253 once with Arma), but it's the way you play the hero. Arma is about spamming q, moving, w, autoattacking, q again, w, auto attack, move, repeat repeat repeat etc etc.

[Yefimovich]

This is interesting.

I average 150 apm. I am a bit of a stats nut. Its a pity then that I am so bad at HoN as this makes for depressing stats at times.

I am however steadily improving and have noticed that my APM has risen accordingly (not much mind you)

Just saying

[[msry]Rkey]

AngryTestie has incredibly low APM for a guy that was once a SC2 professional and 1#player.

I would say that is exactly why he has a low apm. He makes only the clicks he needs, which you have to do in SC2. You cannot afford unnecessary clicks.