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I've always been interested in the hero. At least for as long as I have been playing the game. Which hasn't been long at all. But I've seen him played in lane and in the jungle. But I've also seen people get yelled at for playing him in lane. I have zero experience with jungling but I would like to at least play pred in an actual match. So I was wondering is it necessary to have him jungle or is he just as viable in a lane?
Predator is this game's version of DotA's N'aix. N'aix is actually viable in the jungle because of his ult. Predator, however, has no particular jungle skills in this game. His base armor and attack speed are low so he's a poor jungler. You'll more often than not wind up behind because you've decided to jungle. Predator is much better in the lane with a dedicated support. Or at least, I've played enough games where I'm behind because I chose to farm instead of lane.
Really depends on the match. If you fight people that would easily harass you in the lane, then it may not be the best choice.
Also, MutantJohn, as far as I know, N'aix isn't a viable jungler becuase of his ultimate, lol. They're viable junglers because they can kill creeps faster than normal because of their life leech, and it gives them infinite sustain. Though, Predator is more viable in the lane than N'aix is because Predator has a leap that does a lot of damage and slows. Also because his magic immunity gives him physical armor, which helps both in the jungle and in the lane.
It just really depends on the match. Like I said, if you fight people that can harass you away from creeps or possibly even out of the lane, then jungling is probably a better option. However, if you fight other melee heroes or the enemy has multiple ways of scouting you (Scout, NH, Pharaoh spamming his missle on you in the jungle, etc) then it would probably be better to lane so you don't get invaded and die.
How to beat a jungling Pred - Ward the Easy Camp, go gank him when he's still Lvl 1 with low HP trying to finish that medium camp.
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^That.
But Pred's Feast and attack speed aren't good enough for him to afk farm properly. The fact that N'aix gains health from his ult, does damage and insta-kills the toughest creeps is why he's amazing in jungle. You can make epic stacks, ult the biggest creep, do aoe damage and then Rage for increased attack speed. Predator doesn't have the proper skill set-up whereas N'aix totally does.
Yeah, he's good at AoE clearing. But Predator wins as far as offense goes, meaning hero killing, once he has some levels for his ultimate and Leap.
the physical armor doesn't do **** in the jungle.Originally Posted by amyfailz
Chu´ playing Codex 5 swedish version, someone asks him why he is listening to the swedish version
yeah and that is why he is better in the LANE.... wow you are bad at arguing.
Pred has always been better in the lane, only time you should go forest over lane is when your lane mate is retarded.
Chu´ playing Codex 5 swedish version, someone asks him why he is listening to the swedish version
Was I arguing? I don't think so. Stop being a douche.
Predator as a hero his in all honesty quite bad. The main reason for this is his lack of farming potential. Comparing him to a TDL or magebane who both have greater mobility, allowing them to move faster between creepcamps, he also suffers from NOT being a viable cleaver-user. Predator relies mostly on attackspeed and -armor for damage output, because of his third ability, and that makes the stats on the cleaver kinda useless and therefore not a good pickup in general, even though it would probably still boost your farm. Jungling with predator from level 1 is even weaker than weak, and if you jungle with predator you waste the fairly good killing potential he as in lane. Lategame, he will be outcarried by the likes of TDL, Silhouette and Magebane, but even when he's not up against any of those he could be rendered useless by simply getting a tablet or two... They really do wonders against him.
I really wish people would stop jungling with pred in my games. They're always on my bloody team, too...
Well, under 1600ish, Pred jungling is common because:
A) People of lower tiers tend to not gank the jungle as often or at all. They're too focused on "winning" that 2v1 lane. So a Pred jungler may get a game where he doesn't get ganked and manages to free jungle for the massive 30 mins or w/e he needs to get his core items and just goes into future games thinking it's alright.
B) A lot of people can't last-hit/lane for beans, so even though for most of us, Pred laning with a babysitter is better, there are people who are just so bad at laning/last-hitting that the jungle somehow gives them better gold.
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C)Last picking pred and claiming jungle last 10 seconds is the best thing you can do.Especially if you have no hero who can solo a lane properly.Especially if you afk farm jungle for 20 mins and come out with level 1 shieldbreaker when the score is 0-20.All this instead of getting some easy kills and farm on lane.
A question.Is predator mid good?If not,why?Also how do you counter that?
Why he is good jungle because you can rushand your support can get lvs and some farm
also nothing stops you from ganking the lane
And if you fell in danger in your own jungle you can swap jungles
There are many different cases in this game
Said it before, saying it again. Insanitarius -> Elder Parasite is REALLY strong on pred.
There's a couple other situations in which Predator would be alright in the jungle.
Lets say your (Hellborne, for the sake of argument) team is set up with a powerful bottom lane and you have a strong solo hero and a good mid (Say Bubbles top). Instead of being in the lane, you can let Bubbles solo, get his solo EXP and hit 6 while you farm up the jungle in relative peace because the enemy team probably doesn't want Bubbles to hit 6 quickly with all that solo EXP.
Basically you make the enemy team choose their damnation. Either they have to let Bubbles get freefarm and good solo EXP or they have to let Predator get the freefarm and solo EXP.
That said, Predator works very well in the lane. Too many people expect him to jungle in the lower brackets and suddenly can't deal with him in the lane. Predator with a good disable on his side can easily wreck early game face.
on low brackets 1 ward saves your jungle game, it's not better ver lane, but leaving a good solo laner have it is not allways bad, its a team benefit choice. I do it a lot so I don't have to deal with someone I don't know. It's no way optimal, but its a comfortable decision to make.
Jungle pred is never worth it. He does so much better in lane with another slow/stun, he just leaps, pops his magic immune, and dodges all their counter-stuns. Teammate comes in and slows/stuns and its almost a guaranteed kill.
Add in his terrible jungle speed and it's really quite pointless. If you get any catmen/mino spawns you're screwed over and you're forced to max you e anyways, gimping any gank/teamfight potential you have.
Saw pred mid in a high level inhouse or something, he did decently, but it comes down to the player and your team composition for a pred mid.
Insanitarius provides very nice burst hp/attack speed/damage. midas is alright if you can rush it and know it's going to be a semi-long game where midas will end up benefitting you over their carry.
Pred has to be one of the worst junglers in the game. He is extremly vulnerable to counterjungling (a ward in easy/mid camps is enough to severely hinder his progress), he is easily ganked with no reliable escapes, often jungles with low HP, is very reliant in creep camps (minos and catman are a big nono) and is absolutely useless for ganking because he's forced to max his lifesteal instead of his leap. On top of all that, he has no way to survive stacked camps and is just SLOW at killing anyways. A jungler Pred is only going to become a factor in the game if allowed to freefarm for a LONG time, which happens often in low tier pub games, hence why it's so popular.
That being said, he is actually a good laner with a decent support on his side. No reason to waste that.
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