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    Quote Originally Posted by KingSaber View Post

    Thats feels better. MANLINESS COME BACK!
    7/10 Emma Watsons.


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    Looks photoshopped
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    How many Emma Watsons does Emma Watson get

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    Short haired Emma Watson gets at LEAST nine Emma Watsons, hnggggg

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    This thread got much more enjoyable.

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    I've actually high fived Emma Watson.
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    11/10 Emma Watsons


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanybag View Post
    Well, I tried other approaches first. I'm fine with disagreeing. But if you're going to keep arguing with stupid arguments, you're going to get called stupid. I don't actually see the problem in belittling him. Perhaps it'll persuade him. Doubt anything else will. I actually avoid discussions with people if they're stupid, but the misinformation coming from him was too much to ignore in this thread. Like I said, I doubt it will ever be a relevant issue in his life. But it's a relevant issue in mine. I don't want him to spread bullshit about this around. I asked pretty clearly for people to be well reasoned at the beginning of the thread and to try and approach this in an objective fashion. He didn't do so, and make quite an idiot of himself in the process.
    I agree with you Beany but i think everyone is just shocked that you of all people went to personal insults. We are used to you just using superior reasoning and logic rather than insults. Insults arent worthy of you beany, you are too good for that =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minaxter View Post
    I agree with you Beany but i think everyone is just shocked that you of all people went to personal insults. We are used to you just using superior reasoning and logic rather than insults. Insults arent worthy of you beany, you are too good for that =]
    Gave some thought to this comment. If this is a real impression people have of me, I'm not sure I like it that much. Society is a mixed bag of ideas all competing for dominance. Oppressive ideas are especially difficult to fight when they are tyrannical, pitting the majority against the minority. If I had to, I would resort to violent protest (only if institutional oppression became too great and stifling, e.g. stonewall riots) - insults are the least people should be complaining about (care). This issue is one I'm very passionate about and I only asked people try and consider different views here - especially when these views are increasingly supported by scientific research. Transgendered people are the victims of heavy amounts of violence and discrimination, progress towards gender issues is advancing much more slowly than progress towards lesbian and gay issues. I'll give some numbers for reference: http://ncavp.org/common/document_fil...ler%20file.pdf

    Only an estimated .3% of the population is transgender or gender non-conforming. There is really a lack of numbers on this due to many different things. There is actually a lot of transphobia inside the LGBT community, so many trans people will not be open about their transgendered status even in a 'safe' place. Also, hate crimes go largely under reported. And many transvictims are misidentified or ignored by police (and very likely to be victims of police violence, so trans people are also prone to avoid the police). They are disproportionately likely to be a victim of sexual assault or assault. Most have experienced being verbally harassed at, discriminated against by employees or by housing, and many are kicked out of their homes at a young age. These ideas are hurting people. If people don't want to deign to think about these people and their problems but would rather marginalize and dismiss them, I think they're deserving of insults, perhaps more. I know words and arguments are my typical method of choice, but if someone will not be moved, I don't see a problem with resulting to insults and ridicule. My ideas have to compete with theirs and persuasion is no easy task - sometimes ridicule is effective. It's not intellectual, but then again, I'm not always dealing with intellectual people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanybag View Post
    Gave some thought to this comment. If this is a real impression people have of me, I'm not sure I like it that much. Society is a mixed bag of ideas all competing for dominance. Oppressive ideas are especially difficult to fight when they are tyrannical, pitting the majority against the minority. If I had to, I would resort to violent protest (only if institutional oppression became too great and stifling, e.g. stonewall riots) - insults are the least people should be complaining about (care). This issue is one I'm very passionate about and I only asked people try and consider different views here - especially when these views are increasingly supported by scientific research. Transgendered people are the victims of heavy amounts of violence and discrimination, progress towards gender issues is advancing much more slowly than progress towards lesbian and gay issues. I'll give some numbers for reference: http://ncavp.org/common/document_fil...ler%20file.pdf

    Only an estimated .3% of the population is transgender or gender non-conforming. There is really a lack of numbers on this due to many different things. There is actually a lot of transphobia inside the LGBT community, so many trans people will not be open about their transgendered status even in a 'safe' place. Also, hate crimes go largely under reported. And many transvictims are misidentified or ignored by police (and very likely to be victims of police violence, so trans people are also prone to avoid the police). They are disproportionately likely to be a victim of sexual assault or assault. Most have experienced being verbally harassed at, discriminated against by employees or by housing, and many are kicked out of their homes at a young age. These ideas are hurting people. If people don't want to deign to think about these people and their problems but would rather marginalize and dismiss them, I think they're deserving of insults, perhaps more. I know words and arguments are my typical method of choice, but if someone will not be moved, I don't see a problem with resulting to insults and ridicule. My ideas have to compete with theirs and persuasion is no easy task - sometimes ridicule is effective. It's not intellectual, but then again, I'm not always dealing with intellectual people.

    Some other random things below.

    And, I'll provide another essay for reference.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajo...eing-napoleon/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostate View Post
    Since no one really responded to this, I just wanted to point out that this was a very well handled post. It made me respect you more than I already do. Cheers.
    +1 for beany love. Dont really know how to respond to it though. Im not good with words in the way you guys are :3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanybag View Post
    They are disproportionately likely to be a victim of sexual assault or assault.
    Maybe they get assaulted because they don't tell regular people they're trannies until after they've been snogging and stuff. I'm sure throwing a punch is a pretty common reaction to realizing you just got blown by a dude in disguise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senzation54 View Post
    Maybe they get assaulted because they don't tell regular people they're trannies until after they've been snogging and stuff. I'm sure throwing a punch is a pretty common reaction to realizing you just got blown by a dude in disguise.
    There are actually more homosexual sexual assaults in America than there are heterosexual assaults. LGBT peoples are some of the most vulnerable in the prison system. They are also disproportionally targeted outside of prison, which isn't surprising considering we've always had increased rates of violence victimization among groups with fewer rights in society, or against those that experience more discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senzation54 View Post
    I'm sure throwing a punch is a pretty common reaction to realizing you just got blown by a dude in disguise.
    wooosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorOak View Post
    There are actually more homosexual sexual assaults in America than there are heterosexual assaults. LGBT peoples are some of the most vulnerable in the prison system. They are also disproportionally targeted outside of prison, which isn't surprising considering we've always had increased rates of violence victimization among groups with fewer rights in society, or against those that experience more discrimination.
    Well of course they're disproportionally targeted, the idiots don't usually target regular people. I'm not justifying it or anything, it's just as bad to randomly assault a tranny as anyone else. All I'm saying is that if trannies are going to completely ignore the fact that most people don't consider them to actually having changed sex(You can say what you want about their brain matter, they haven't physically changed sex), and refuse to let people know this before engaging in sexual activities, they can't exactly blame that person for getting mad and perhaps reacting violently once they realize.
    Or maybe you even can blame them, that doesn't change the fact that the tranny in question is pretty stupid for not accounting for that people may react with anger or violence. I know hooligans are known to be violent, so I wouldn't be dumb enough to go mocking Manchester United in a football pub just after they lost.

    I don't really care what people do to themselves, they can chop their genitals off if they want to, but if you're going to be an obvious guy with tits and dressing like a chick you can't expect everyone to just think you're normal. You can justify it all you want with your science and statistics and crap, but the fact of the matter is that trannies make the choice, fully knowing that society is going to frown upon them, and that is part of the decision. And don't drag friggin mutants into this because they're obviously not included in this argument, seeing as how I'm talking about making a choice.
    You get born without a dick or a vagina? Tough luck, I pity you in the same degree as someone born without legs, and you're justified in trying to look normal by surgery or whatever. You're born as a perfectly fine human, and you make the choice to mutilate yourself because you feel like you want to look like the opposite sex? No, I'm not going to respect you, do whatever you want just stay the **** away from me. They're not in the same boat, and nobody cares about the color of their brain matter.

    I don't even understand why they care so much about this crap. It's a body. Everyone's born with one and almost everyone accepts or at least tolerates the one they get. I would much rather have a vagina than a fake dick that probably doesn't even have working nerves or is able to get hard. In fact I'd love to have a vagina, it would make it a ton less hassle to get laid, unfortunately I can't have one because the only thing available is a crappy imitation that doesn't work properly.

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    ^ By the same token Saudi Arabian women who choose not to wear the Abaya or otherwise dress conservatively may encounter people who react to them with anger and violence. What's your opinion on that?

    Also I think you mean trans rather than tranny
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorOak View Post
    ^ By the same token Saudi Arabian women who choose not to wear the Abaya or otherwise dress conservatively may encounter people who react to them with anger and violence. What's your opinion on that?

    Also I think you mean trans rather than tranny
    I'm pretty sure I directly stated that I don't advocate violence against trannies. The Saudi Arabian society is based on these "norms" or whatever you want to call it, and while I don't agree with their views and values, and certainly don't think women should be beaten for not wearing Abayas, I can see how a woman refusing to follow the norms of their society would be to at least some extent excluded from society. We all think it's unfair for these women to be beaten and physically punished for not wearing these stupid curtains, however how would you feel about the men simply preferring women wearing curtains over the ones that don't?

    That's all I'm talking about, I'm not saying trannies should be randomly beat up on the streets for their choices, I'm saying if they use their disguise to intentionally deceive a heterosexual man into thinking they're actual women the man will probably get mad once he realizes they're not. There's a HUGE difference between beating up a tranny on the street for no reason and giving him a well-deserved punch in the face once you realize it's a friggin disguised man that's been groping you. If I got drugged at a bar and woke up in a bed with a regular gay guy sucking on my junk I would punch the crap out of him too. Heck, I'd probably punch any random guy who started touching me. At the very least tell him to **** off.
    Last edited by senzation54; 08-20-2012 at 12:28 PM.

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    Heck, I'd probably punch any random guy who started touching me
    you are either a closet homosexual or are trying to appear like a tough guy over the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegoPirate View Post
    you are either a closet homosexual or are trying to appear like a tough guy over the internet.
    I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

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    Cool it. You're both making fools of yourselves.

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