What interesting things have you found about the hero? What item builds, skill builds and playstyles do you think work the best for him? Why?
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I disapprove of skipping his slow for his passive early in the game, which I've seen some people do. When maxed out the slow is HUGE
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I always keep pondering which of his ability to max out first and since yesterday, I've realize that Compel's damage should not be underestimated. At level 7 you will have 250 damage on Compel and 400 damage on ult. Those two combine are deadly combination to stack up the kills early on.
The thing about his passive is that it adds up to 24 damage at level 4 which is pretty nice but if you max this first, it means you'll be sacrificing the slow for the damage and -armor. What I do is by level 6 I have 3 level on Compel, 2 level on slow. Then level 7 I max Compel and then start maxing the passive.
The -armor early game is nothing great. When in general most of your opponent have 3-4 armor at the beginning of the game, even -50% armor is nothing great. But, again, the +24 damage is nice. The level 2 slow would help to finish enemy after you Q+R them early on.
For now, I'd say my build is as follows: Q, W, Q, W, Q, R, Q, E, E, E, R, E, W, W, +stats, R
For item builds. The first two days I've been playing Rally, my first thought was to build him with lot of offensive items (Riftshard, Savage Mace,...) but then I realize how easily I was dying (thus my low win rate at the beginning). Afterward I switch to a bit more tanky build, I found myself having better survival and better matches. Finally I decided to go all out with a tanky build first and then add offensive items to the build.
My items build would be (in the order I would get them first to last):
- Phase Boots or Steam Boots (depending on whether there are lot of burst damage early on).
- Mystic Vestment (always useful and cheap way to boost survivability).
- Helm of the Black Legion.
- Shaman Headress.
- Either Riftshard OR Savage Mace (never Shieldbreaker, MacroHard made a comprehensive guide about SB, Rift and Mace, he showed the effectiveness of Rift/Mace on Rally).
- Aterward, as luxury items, it would be either Riftshard or Savage Mace (whichever I did not build up there), Deamonic Breastplate (the boost to armor for allies and yourself is nice, the -5 have roughly 60% efficiency due to Rally's passive so its still a good pick up), Behemoths heart.
That's pretty much how I feel Rally is a more effective. Its base on trial and error, my success rate is better with the above mentioned build.
Rally is a fun hero to play albeit the minor hiccup I've been having with the Q (which I have discuss extensively in another thread). I have find myself saving my ally a lot of time with his Q during early game and then mid to late game, its great how you can just push your ally into the enemy team to initiate (after careful planning of course). A couple hours ago I had a match where I was with a Pesti, I would Compel him in the enemy which would give roughly 2 seconds of stun then I would be making my way towards the enemies. Afterward he would throw his stun which would give me enough time to position myself and Ult... the end result is quite satisfying!
So yeah, he is a fun hero to play, a bit steeper learning curve compare to other hero but once you get the grip of his skill... it becomes very pleasant playing him.
Edit: wow... did not realise I typed all that ;x
Last edited by SyleSpawn; 08-09-2012 at 03:05 PM.
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I really want to build portal key on him, but whenever I do I have trouble successfully stunning before I get stunned myself. It just takes too long for me to set up the compel stun with any accuracy. Plus, she doesn't really have the survivability (through skills) that most other initiators have.
So far I've been doing some odd Ghost marchers/Hotbl+vestments/portal key build, then following up with some big item like frostwulf if the game gets to that point.
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Starting items: Fine. Core: Not really sure why you consider insanitarius core, sure it's a decent item on most str heroes but Rally has no particular synergy with it (like other common insani users like pred/maliken). Same with abyssal, doesn't have any particular synergy with him (apart from the forced synergy by picking up an insanitarius). If you have several melees/against a lot of physical and no support can get it, sure it's a solid item, but again shouldn't be core. Luxury: Well you can't fit in every item here but never go shieldbreaker on Rally, ever. I can't think of a game where I'd want to get a frostfield on him either tbh, he already has a solid slow and doesn't really benefit from the int at that stage of the game.
Itembuild: Compel. Maxed. At. Level. 7. Apart from that it's fine I guess, seems like it's a bit random where you get your slow/battle experience, is this just to indicate that you should adapt based on the situation cause maxing one is superior to just randomly placing points (personally I max battle experience first with 1 point in slow vs most lanes)?
+24 damage is great at early levels, then it tapers off. Then the passive becomes useful late game as an anti-tank ability. I'd personally max it early with q, one level in w since 33% less movement speed is more than enough when they only have red boots and stuff. Sure it's great to level it more, but 33% should be more than enough for another person to catch up and stun/slow. Add in how strong your q + r + auto attack combo is and you honestly don't need to whack them too many times to get a kill so the slow isn't needed so much.
Item wise, Ghost + helm then sols for more -armor to stack with your passive. From there you can branch of to either more defensive with heart/daemonic/frostwolf if you need to tank stuff, or if you need to carry, maybe savage/sb/shroud. I'd say shroud has pretty good synergy, you shroud in, attack, w, if they can't stun, you r. if they do, once the stun is done, you q to them, since they shouldn't be more than 600 units away, and then r.
Last edited by `blackbird`; 08-10-2012 at 12:34 AM.
He's an extremely useful support hero in mid wars, and his ulti (when used correctly) is complete domination. He can tank with the right build, and his throw is useful when trying to escape or when chasing a nearly dead enemy (especially Valk or Hag). I have never played with a noob Rally though
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