How to start playing carries without teamrage for k:d?

[[CSR]AzureAlain]

Don't play carrys if you are oj or brown cause technically all the colors above are better than you so switch to support when youa re oj and brown , support pretty hard, make friends while supporting stop playing solo queue so your friends let youc arry there you go


Your welcome

[MerkQT]

If I may be truthful (Although it's probably going to sound harsh, I don't mean any offense) Low MMR/PSR players should not be trying to learn a carry, just by picking one and playing heaps of games with them. They should not be carrying at all until they had the foundations of carrying down.

What this means is, you should be picking supports and roamers (When you are more confident with map/game awareness) to understand better how carries function with a team. Part of a role of a support is to maximize GPM for the carry by stacking camps and generally setting up kills for them.

Part of the reason bad players are stuck in the 1400 range is because they get garbage advice telling them to "Just stomp with X" which is just plain wrong. HoN has many levels of gameplay and co-ordination behind it and it takes lots of practice to understand and perceive what is happening in game. In my eyes, A carry is the pinnacle of gameplay with immense map and game awareness and can take advantage of every little bit of knowledge learned on the way. The best way to acquire all of that knowledge and experience is to play the roles that support the carry first.

I feel like maybe this post is a little confusing, but if you have any questions, please feel free to ask me so I can clarify.

EDIT: To address the topic; Don't pick carries yet.

[[E]Clytemnestra]

If I may be truthful (Although it's probably going to sound harsh, I don't mean any offense) Low MMR/PSR players should not be trying to learn a carry, just by picking one and playing heaps of games with them. They should not be carrying at all until they had the foundations of carrying down.

What this means is, you should be picking supports and roamers (When you are more confident with map/game awareness) to understand better how carries function with a team. Part of a role of a support is to maximize GPM for the carry by stacking camps and generally setting up kills for them.

Part of the reason bad players are stuck in the 1400 range is because they get garbage advice telling them to "Just stomp with X" which is just plain wrong. HoN has many levels of gameplay and co-ordination behind it and it takes lots of practice to understand and perceive what is happening in game. In my eyes, A carry is the pinnacle of gameplay with immense map and game awareness and can take advantage of every little bit of knowledge learned on the way. The best way to acquire all of that knowledge and experience is to play the roles that support the carry first.

I feel like maybe this post is a little confusing, but if you have any questions, please feel free to ask me so I can clarify.

EDIT: To address the topic; Don't pick carries yet.

so all 1400 games should be won by ganker strats?

[MerkQT]

so all 1400 games should be won by ganker strats?

Not at all. This thread however, has been about how his/her team-mates would prefer to play carries over this person. So what I'm basically saying is, if this person can learn to support players, he can effectively pull themselves to a higher PSR by just supporting. Then when it comes time to transition to carrying, this person has all the knowledge of maximizing game-play with GPM, XPM and general map and game awareness because they have played the roles that support this method of game-play.

Part of the problem is that in lower end matches <1400, it's not unlikely to see a four pick of carries because they all have this ridiculous notion of being told "Pick this hero and stomp". Obviously this screws with the team-lineup and throws the game.

[Antimodus]

In my eyes, A carry is the pinnacle of gameplay with immense map and game awareness and can take advantage of every little bit of knowledge learned on the way.

I disagree

Carrying is a specialized role, the polar opposite of the support role. Both of these roles have a narrow focus only on a small subset of the skills that a well-rounded HoN player should have. As a carry, if your last hitting and time management are really strong, it can sometimes cover for mistakes you do in other areas.

People are suggesting carries for getting through the 15xx bracket exactly because farmed carries are a lot more fault tolerant than other types of heroes. It's rare that a 15xx team will be able to put the constant pressure it takes to shut down a good farmer, so that makes it pretty reliable.

Semicarries/initiators/gankers need to have a much more flexible skill set to produce consistent results.

[Dominare]

Don't play carrys if you are oj or brown cause technically all the colors above are better than you so switch to support when youa re oj and brown

It's a lot harder to play a good support than it is to play a good carry. This is the single most common piece of bad advice given in HoN and I get sick of seeing it.

To OP: if you want to play carry, you need to be able to farm well above virtually all else. Go into practice mode, pick various carries you like, and make sure you can consistently hit at LEAST 50 ck by 10 minutes. If you can't do that while freefarming then you're not ready to play carries; if you can, then you need to work on how to do it when there are actual lane opponents, and that's only going to come with practice in real matches.

If you can farm well and you understand the basics that every HoN player should know, then you can carry. There's no magical special skillset other than that, even though people love to pretend that there is.

[[EHOP]herro`kiti]

It's a lot harder to play a good support than it is to play a good carry. This is the single most common piece of bad advice given in HoN and I get sick of seeing it.

To OP: if you want to play carry, you need to be able to farm well above virtually all else. Go into practice mode, pick various carries you like, and make sure you can consistently hit at LEAST 50 ck by 10 minutes. If you can't do that while freefarming then you're not ready to play carries; if you can, then you need to work on how to do it when there are actual lane opponents, and that's only going to come with practice in real matches.

If you can farm well and you understand the basics that every HoN player should know, then you can carry. There's no magical special skillset other than that, even though people love to pretend that there is.

The hard part is trying to play a carry without team cooperation. This starts on the pick screen.

[[DRAE]`blackbird`]

The reason people rage at brown/oj picking a carry is that they usually do so after 1-2 carries/semi-carries have been chosen. So, instead of choosing a hero with a stun, which most hard carries don't, they pick that hero that doesn't really help much even though it's a good hero. I just get mad at people who pick selfishly instead of thinking about the team. I have no problem supporting in any bracket, as long as the person I'm supporting for can win me the game. The worst feeling is playing support properly only to have your carry throw the game with bad positioning/plays/dives. Then you get owned by the other team.

[[EHOP]herro`kiti]

only to have your carry throw the game with bad positioning/plays/dives

You forgot bad builds. Which is generally not really about the items they DO have, but the items they DON'T have. You're not allowed to call them on it though, or you find out that they didn't notice you haven't taken much of anything for yourself farmwise, and catch hell for having next to nothing.

[tidds]

This doesn't work if you're a sidelane carry and your teammate makes it his main objective in the game to sabotage your farm to the furthest extent possible. (You dared pick a carry with garbage stats - must be punished) Been there, got the T-shirt, it ain't pretty. Basically it's worse than suicide soloing, and u get "nice farm" comments the rest of the game for dessert

God dammit, THIS!

Well, a stat reset is worth it when you are in a situation like this.

[much2much]

Solo matchmaking as a carry around that MMR (I am similar) is pretty demoralising. You have to fight your lane partner for farm and although you won't get criticised it is psychologically difficult as you have to accept that early game you are a BURDEN to your team and these are people who have a hard time even showing you which hero they are picking in the lobby. You also are flipping a coin that people will actually ward to assist your farm and you will almost never get somebody who will stack creeps for you even once. The other problem with carrying with a team of individuals is that in idle times your teammates will push all lanes and loot your jungle.

[[FuZ]SlicerDigZ]

Here's what to do, stop playing carries, try supporting for a while, when/if you reach 1520+ then try to carry, if that doesnt work out then repeat

But yeah, If you're brown/dg you should support imo, most likely the players above that will know how to carry, if not well.

If you're light blue you should try to carry, or try to get a good lineup

But HoN will never not have ragers, try to ask them to trust you and to chill.

[Devastate]

I get this same thing alot, and im 1460 too. Seems like if ur brown and u pick MQ or MB or any hard carry, ur team thinks u are bad becouse ur brown/or u have bad kd or maybe both. So what i should do is, explain that u wanna go carry and tell them at the beginning that u need support to sit u.

Tell them that u are confident with ur role and u can carry well. If ur babysitter tell ur bad and u didnt help becouse of hes own mistakes, u should just tell that there was nothing u could do to safe him. In this mmr bracket, everyone is usually a KD whore, they want good KD and they want to win. OFC u cant get those 2 things always.
But maybe, u should go middle. U cant rly trust to ur team, since they are all randoms. Dont believe their K/D or mmr, truth can be different.


Im sure im forgetting something. But thast all i can say for now. Im sorry, like i said im also 1400 bracket player so i dont know alot of carrying. I just know about the teammates. Usually players like Bs in ur game are usually trolls or 12 year old kids who dont know how to be mannered and u just cry becouse they did dumb decissions and dont know what Hard Carrys should do: Get lasthits, core items and rape. NOT TO DIE AND GANK.

Considering what you just said, if you picked a carry I would flame the hell out of you.

My advice is:
Check your team mates GPM/XPM, if you are, let's say, 350XPM and 220GPM and someone in your team is 420XPM and 250GPM suck it up and deal with the fact that he probably is a better carry than you.
In HoN you don't pick what you want, you pick what your team needs. Check your team and if someone is better than you let him carry, otherwise explain to your team about picking a carry, and go for it if no one else wants the role.

[[ViPs]Orgamsmatron]

my ultra-bad advice (and thats how i´ve played my first 200 games and learned the game)

play all random! if u get a carry, it just luck, its not your fault

lol, i didnt even know what a carry was back then...

[[EHOP]herro`kiti]

This doesn't work if you're a sidelane carry and your teammate makes it his main objective in the game to sabotage your farm to the furthest extent possible. (You dared pick a carry with garbage stats - must be punished) Been there, got the T-shirt, it ain't pretty. Basically it's worse than suicide soloing, and u get "nice farm" comments the rest of the game for dessert

Oh, 1000x this... and it's not just the early farm they ruin, and you will never get any satisfactory answer or results from "well what do you expect when everywhere I go to farm ONE of you shows up and nukes it"

[Saturo]

If you are on the bottom mmr part of your team dont play a hard carry unless they tell you too.. You can easily play heroes like pyro who can semi carry on a side lane and still win.

[bOOxO]

You would have to be 1650+ to be able to play any hero and carry in that bracket especially if your friends are 1400s tbh. Pick what you want to practice. Its better to learn the rough spots when you're low than try to do it vs better skilled people anyways. When i first started everytime i wanted to go mid i would get brushed aside. My side laning is 1650 but my mid was honestly like 1450. I had to make a new account and queue with my 1350 friends just to learn how to play mid well. So **** them! practice now

[[E]Clytemnestra]

then how come i had a 1630 pink nomad in my team that got raped by a bh and i had to carry the game as kraken?

[[LG]Moonlight]

just play and prove them wrong

Here is where people go wrong. People want to "Prove" their skills.

You need to get rid of that attitude first. I don't want to be mean, but this is where it is wrong with most people.
Most players are little kids, and are not worthy of you "proving" your skills. People try to seek acceptance from other players they don't know over the internet.
This is not right. You don't need acceptance from people you don't know.

So, the conclusion:
Ignore the kids telling you what to do or being mad at you because you pick a carry on 0.88kd orange. It's your choise, so just play that hero you wanted to play.

People you should never listen to/prove something to:
- People who claim that you can't carry because you have a bad kd, bad mmr, or some other stat.
- People who keep raging and flaming to you
- People who pick carries, just because you have picked a carry.

People you should listen to:
- People who have knowledge to what the team needs
- People who have plans for the game and for the setup
- People who suggest a hero for you because it's a good counter to the enemy lineup
- People who talk nice and mature to you

[TaroEld]

Don't pick hardcarries. Your team will hate you because you're useless for 25 minutes and you'll probably mess up and lose either way. Play semicarries with good utily like Valk, FA ... You can increase your K by playing safe and still be an asset to your team.