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tl;dr
i have this problem. i played quite a lot of games, stomped a lot of mids, immortaled and so on, but sometimes, i get bad games (i like supports and initiators the most anyway). therefore, my k:d is around 0.88 (although my k+a:d is around 2.7). anytime i want to carry, team gets offended and rage at me.
i want to help my low-mmr friends get at least to my, ~1550 bracket - but stomping with temp or deme is not usually the most effective. so i want to learn to play some carries. as i got some game experience, i think i am ready to carry - when i get the chance to play with friends, from what i see, i can carry better than my 1400 friends with ~1 k:ds. but i dont want to play heroes i dont have at least around 5 games played when we are a queue of 3 or 4, so i play those heroes on solo queue. but whenever i try to pick a carry, i get blamed by the team from the start, because i have a bad k:d.
like i pick mq from the start, team doesnt show picks until 10 sec and then 4 carries tell me that they have better k:d so i have to support them and buy wards.
or last time, i was flint and a guy decided to go chronos just because he had better k:d. as it is still low mmr, it could have easily worked, but blacksmith on lane with me decided that i have lower k:d then him, so i am the nooby retard (even though i had higher mmr and k+a:d), and started acting like he was the carry - he tried to take my farm, blamed me for not harassing instead of last hitting, and for KILLSTEALING with ult (on lane, where we both worked for a kill and i ultied escaping enemy). also, he didnt care about me dying, he just went for his kills and always blamed me for not saving him even if i did my best. i tried to kick him or find help from teammates, but what shocked me is, that they supported the blacksmith and told me i am a noob (they were not in same clan). we won, i ended up the game with 3/3 after an early concede (because that chrono knew how to play at least) but i still got blamed by the team after game that i suck, even if im sure that i didnt do any apparent mistake and played pretty well, considering blacksmith tried to carry over me.
so my question is, how to start playing carries without getting blamed by team for low k:d?
it´s hon, nothing you can do
Originally Posted by Ahimtar
I get this same thing alot, and im 1460 too. Seems like if ur brown and u pick MQ or MB or any hard carry, ur team thinks u are bad becouse ur brown/or u have bad kd or maybe both. So what i should do is, explain that u wanna go carry and tell them at the beginning that u need support to sit u.
Tell them that u are confident with ur role and u can carry well. If ur babysitter tell ur bad and u didnt help becouse of hes own mistakes, u should just tell that there was nothing u could do to safe him. In this mmr bracket, everyone is usually a KD whore, they want good KD and they want to win. OFC u cant get those 2 things always.
But maybe, u should go middle. U cant rly trust to ur team, since they are all randoms. Dont believe their K/D or mmr, truth can be different.
Im sure im forgetting something. But thast all i can say for now. Im sorry, like i said im also 1400 bracket player so i dont know alot of carrying. I just know about the teammates. Usually players like Bs in ur game are usually trolls or 12 year old kids who dont know how to be mannered and u just cry becouse they did dumb decissions and dont know what Hard Carrys should do: Get lasthits, core items and rape. NOT TO DIE AND GANK.
make sure you are not brown/oj when picking carry?
pick a semicarry like pyro/dr/aluna/tort/hag?(they will not tell you that you suck and shouldn't pick these because of your kdr.they will think these are supports,but you can both support and carry with these.not to mention boost your kdr if you want to.this is a mindgame that i do and nobody tells me i shouldn't play aluna because i am brown lol)
learn to take ck even if your teammate is stealing them?(only if you are better than him or the carry and he is some support.like blacksmith)
/ignore add idiots?
if you see someone better going carry(like that chronos) maybe you should support him?(wards,harass,stacks etc.)
play with your friends and claim a lane?
jungle with wildsoul or war4v5beast?kotf or pred?you can carry even with legionnaire he is decent pubstomper.in 1400 i doubt they gank you,and even if they do you should get your own ward and farm a lot.(go with the team for some kills too)
armadon is a carry too,and in that bracket you can get easy kills with him since people will attack your from the back.
berzerker is strong too especially early.
zephyr strong mid pubstomper and easy to farm/get kills with.
mongay king?
ss mid is nice too,but needs a bit more skill and farm.900+ magic damage seems nice tough..
arachna and cd are easy mode too.people will just stay and autoattack you in your conduit,or not attack the spiderling
tremble is pubstomper too.
i would say defiler but people will tell you to get wards and that she is support,what she actually is not,so picking her might not be a good idea.same for soulreaper,puppet,tort or hag.but if you go mid with any of these you will stomp easy if you know what to do.pick hag ONLY if you are mid or solo otherwise she sucks.
all of these can win and carry games alone,maybe with help of noob teammates,and you can get easy hattricks,quads etc. with a few of them(ss ult+hands with invis rune etc.).too bad in 1500 people get a few wards or eyes/dust otherwise this would be too easy..
Last edited by Clytemnestra; 07-14-2012 at 05:27 PM.
everyone is going to rage, can't go past it, just play and prove them wrong
i already knew most of that, but some parts helped me. thanks for advice
This doesn't work if you're a sidelane carry and your teammate makes it his main objective in the game to sabotage your farm to the furthest extent possible. (You dared pick a carry with garbage stats - must be punished) Been there, got the T-shirt, it ain't pretty. Basically it's worse than suicide soloing, and u get "nice farm" comments the rest of the game for dessertjust play and prove them wrong
"Proclamation was made, in the King's Name, for all Persons to keep Silence" - House of Lords Journal, Volume 20, 24 June 1717
"For dessert" maked me Lol'd
From personal experience, you should usually just ignore them. The amount of idiots playing this great game is astounding and they'll always have reasons to flame you for something, as you are human and will make mistakes. The vast, VAST majority of people that will flame you in-game will not be constructive whatsoever, that's why I say you should just ignore them as chances are the person is talking bullshit either way. From my experience the ones that actually give you constructive insight in your game, do it after the game has ended. The worst thing that can happen to you in a game is if you are getting flamed at and you pay attention to it; firstly because the one flaming you will be too busy complaning to actually pay attention to the game (in fact, usually the one complaining will be playing worse than you and blame you for it), and secondly because it'll take your concentration away, making you also play worse, so effectively your team has just lost 2 out of 5 teammates, 40% of the team, with your chances of winning (and improving your game) decreasing drastically.
tl;dr Ignore to the best of your ability people in-game complaining, flaming and blaming about you.
GO MAGEBANE MID
PRED MID
MQ MID
go some carries mid really, and **** with them, dual mid if you feel like it, what your teammates say means nothing.
0.83 KD here, Never concede and play carelessly when the enemy team is in our base with a couple of raxx down, why because I like to have fun when I play this game, and I hate giving up on something because others tell me to, I can do it out of own will, but not because some retarded swede spams GG for the whole game. I rather enjoy the pleasure of wasting his time, while spending my time having fun, I usually play support, but rather gone over to semi supports, who can do decent with a few cheap items, mainly int heroes who benefit from items like nome's, astrolabe, energizer, tablet of command, sac stone. Leaves me rather tanky and with a decent amount of damage.
Though I tend I prefer to play the int heroes and dominate with them, if I am better than the other players I can easily dominate with heroes like Soul reaper, Dsham, kinesis, engineer, torturer and such.
Though no matter what hero I play I never get **** for my KD I got a decent amount of assists, I haven't looked at numbers like that in ages, why? Because it is not what keeps this game entertaining for me. What does on the other hand is screwing the other team over even if you are under by 15 kills in 25 minutes.
Chu´ playing Codex 5 swedish version, someone asks him why he is listening to the swedish version
As a lower level player myself (1500) I'd recommend not carrying at all because a sideline carry NEEDS support. I used to be stuck at 1400 for a while playing carries (surprise surprise) then I used the last hitting skills I gained from playing them so win mid and gained mmr that way, unless one of your team is shadowing a support ( this actually happens sometimes, but make sure they are acually supporting, not going carry ds or something retarded) I would recommend not carrying at all good sideline heroes that I found in that bracket where ones that could take lasthits from the auto attacking member of your lane such as kraken, nukers are also good picks as well as they can recover by nuking creeps waves if you lost the lane or got unlucky with your teamates
Yeah, I practice carrying as well, I have a high leavers percentage atm, but I'm doing pubs to get my leavers down so I can TMM. This is off-topic, but I notice that playing CM games tends to hinder my carrying ability to the point that I don't think farm is important, then once I go into a NM game I'm the lowest level on the team with the lowest farm as a carry, so I think CM mode really has some bad side effects for someone who wants to learn and carry more, that's why I've started doing NM.
Which is why you get no good support in the 1500 bracket, which again is why you get no good carries on the 1500 bracket, kind of an empty loop huh.
So, SO true. But honestly, some people lane like that EVERY time. It's general selfishness. I had a Behemoth the other night telling me (as ****ing Flint!) 'let me get gold first, i am a gold dependent hero'... I wasn't pleased, but I just (begrudgingly) told him to 'take what he can get' because convincing him all that good stuff about "you don't need it now and not at my expense, play well and get it through K+A, farm stacks when you get some levels," etc just didn't feel worth the effort, considering at least he didn't have a hatchet to do it TOO easily with, and I figured he'd start off with RoS (he didn't, first item Striders..) but whatever, got slowed down a bit but it didn't wind up going half bad.
The difference with crapola stats is that people who should normally know better will actually think it's somehow a smart idea to ruin your farm. Which doesn't even make sense, if you're going to put your faith in randoms enough to support them, just do yourself a favor and don't even look at the carry's stats you are going to lane with. Sure, he might fail horribly either way, but interfering with his farm isn't going to help a damn bit...
Last edited by Epidemilk; 07-15-2012 at 05:28 PM.
Listen close, cause this is important. If you are brown/oj at 1460 MMR, then blue/pink, in an even match, will be 1520-1540. Unless they are just starting on a smurf account and their stats show that they are better than the bracket, then who cares what they think about brown/oj? They are barely decent enough to pass the default MMR. You should assess their rating based on all of their individual stats and give them the weight that their stats deserve. Games are closer in rating as you get closer to 1500. The brown/oj syndrome is closer geared to 1650+ games where there are 200+ rating gaps between pink to brown or blue to oj. In a game with a <100 rating gap, then "blaming brown/oj" is a scapegoat.
Personally, I rarely care about stats. I play support whenever I can, I play mid when I'm needed to, and I carry when our line-up needs one. I don't care about my KDR and I certainly don't care about what other people think about it. I do what I need to in order to win a game. Everything else is just semantics if your team wins. At the end of the game, if you were OJ and you played a carry and you failed to carry, then who cares? Exit the Match Channel and hit Solo Queue again.
If you want to play mid because you think you have what it takes to carry the game, then type "Mind if I mid?" in chat. 95% of the time, people will gladly let you just because you were nice enough to ask.
If you see a solid carry player and you have no support, then grab a support and tell him you want to be his best friend. More than likely he'll be super-tryhard cause he'll feel like a boss with someone supporting him "like da pros do".
So, what then? You have a 10-0 game where you stomped mid. You have an 0-10 game where you supported the sheisse out of your carry. You have a whopping 1:1 KDR and you've won two games and the nubby little nubs fall further and further away from being matched with you.
KDR<Win %
Last edited by Jenova26; 07-17-2012 at 11:26 AM.
so true.
had a cd last game and i asked him if he wants me to support him(i was doing it anyway,but wanted to let him know) so i picked revenant.we won since our cd had tons of farm and our raging rampage at least knew what his role was(ult magebane) even if he was annoying/annoyed
Play semi-carries that can effectively support. One of the first heroes I learned to play was Pestilence (not actually a great carry). You will never get *****ed at for playing him, as he's one of the best chase-down gankers, and his ult is universally useful. Plus his initiate is awesome. From there, I learned to play "easier" carries like Predator (boots + frostburn => eat squishies) and MB. If you can learn to last hit well and have good map awareness, your partner will see that during laning phase. If you're auto-ing creeps, losing 50% hp to harass, and not calling misses, then people will treat you like brown/orange. One of the first thing I look at in the partner is whether or not he/she is a capable harasser/denier/last-hitter. Those subtle things can reveal skill pretty well.
Gotta dissagree about carries and supports sucking on account of my last few games in 1500 man... (just got there lolI'm a noob)
Most people in 1500 know the basics at least and if there new it's VERY easy to spot from there stats. However my earlier point still stands. People who supported one fail carry often don't support again and instantly believe that they are all the same
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