Spellshards on EW

[[E]Clytemnestra]

i would make a codex on ew rather than spellshards.

[[aO]NASZOVSKY]

spellshard ew wtf ppl.

spells < frostburn --> bane+frost (best guide)

Spells its just 2575+1000+1000 = 4575

+525 more and u got geometers.

spellshards sucks.

[[GS5]Sound_Mirror]

Good players don't just buy the items on a pre-built list, they consider how effective the item will be in the current matchup. For Example, I've played many games as Thunderbringer where I beef up on HP, allowing me to land 3-4 bolts in a team fight, rather than 1 Super-Bolt before I get blinked on by Magebane or Hag. If they don't have the blinky heroes, I don't get the HP, I just let my positioning allow me to cast more. Most people would not list 4 Strength Bracers and a Power Treads as a core build, but if you've got a pebbles coming at you from solo mid, you had better have enough HP to not get 1 shot.

This logic applies to your Spellshards scenario too. What do you actually get out of spamming wolves? If the fights you are seeing in your game are long, drawn out, 45 second standoff/chases then sure, spamming wolves might be fine. If all of the fights are PK/Instagibs (e.g. pebbles), then spamming wolves won't really help much. Will a shorter CD on silence matter? How many times will a fight last long enough for you to silence someone again? And even if you do, are you just silencing Moon Queen after she's ulted? If on the other hand, their team has Pollywog, Succubus and Rhapsody, you may very well get to break two important channels because they may be cast in slow succession.

tl;dr Can you make an argument for Spellshards on EW, certainly, but it needs to be in the context of the matchup you are in and you need to justify why it is better than some other choice.

You know what your talking about. Very good Post with alot of insight Knowledge!
Thank you.

[[f13]zstarkey42]

You people talk like a 9% cooldown reduction is meaningful in most scenarios, like with emerald's short cooldowns. We're talking about -1 second on each of his abilities on average with maxed spellshards (4500g). If you really think hitting a little harder with your wolves and Q is worth it with those garbage stats I'm not really sure what to say. There's much better choices for a semi-carry, especially when her spells are mostly used for utility and not damage by the time you managed to buy spellshards + a regular carry item. Even with around 350 GPM it still takes you over 30 minutes to get boots, a decent carry item (say frostburn) and maxed spellshards and by that point you're not really doing any damage with your spells, and you're not really doing any damage with your autos either because spellshards have such crappy stats. Also, you'll have endless mana regen for a hero whose ult costs no mana at all, has a rather good int gain, and basically revolves around using 1-2 low cost abilities abilities every 10-20 seconds. Emerald is already a weak farmer, he really can't afford troll picks like spellshards on a normal game.

If you want to troll with warden, a codex is a much better choice though!

[PrestonLee]

If you want to troll with warden, a codex is a much better choice though!

Codex is a horrible choice for trolling, you just get out of mana really fast and gives you a pretty negligable burst for KS'ing which Warden already has no problem doing lol. At least Spellshards gives you mana regen (just enough to keep Warden without mana problems), and your Q is already arguably a free Codex which Spellshards strengthens

now Tablet+Stormspirit+Pkey now that's some good trolling

But for the most part agree with what the rest of what you said, though Spellshards is still arguably nice because it lowers the cooldowns on Gawaiin's heal (level 11) and AoE magic damage nuke (level 16). Pretty negligable? Arguably. Worse than Codex? Hell no

[[f13]zstarkey42]

Buut Codex + Silence shot + Wolves + Gawain oneshots squishies

[[DrQs]OneSantaPlz]

Best troll is red marchers and 5 hatchets, swapping each hatchet for a runed cleaver along the way

[[E]Clytemnestra]

Best troll is red marchers and 5 hatchets, swapping each hatchet for a runed cleaver along the way

i'd say striders is much more trolling than red marchers.
i saw an arachna with striders supporting(warding) once in a stream(forgot which one).

[[DRAE]`blackbird`]

Buut Codex + Silence shot + Wolves + Gawain oneshots squishies

And that 3-4/5/6/7k you dump into that codex can get you a savage mace instead, which allows you to do way more damage in a teamfight, instead of just bursting down 1 player. or you can get a shieldbreaker or a frostburn or any other carry item to make you have a much larger impact on a teamfight.

[[f13]zstarkey42]

lol my previous post was discussing ways of trolling with prestonlee. We all know shards/codex is absolutele rubbish on emerald; read the previous posts.

[[DRAE]`blackbird`]

lol my previous post was discussing ways of trolling with prestonlee. We all know shards/codex is absolutele rubbish on emerald; read the previous posts.

my bad haha. didn't see a quote so i thought you just threw it out there :P

[[bshU]_Lateralus_]

Why are we discussing a guide made by someone getting Striders, Nome's Wisdom, and Spellshards on EW?

[[f13]zstarkey42]

Because that guide was obviously for trolling, and we are now discussing the best troll picks for EW.

[[SBT]Rkey]

Come on.. what would you buy for midas then?

I always build midas as a carry.

[[E]Clytemnestra]

I always build midas as a carry.

and fail doing so?

[[EHOP]Epidemilk]

and fail doing so?

Hellflower and FWS make for a pretty terrifying Midas :P

[[E]Clytemnestra]

Hellflower and FWS make for a pretty terrifying Midas :P

i see,might try it once.

[Apostate]

I prefer Stormspirit for mana regen on EW. You can tornado someone, then cast a trap, and then get a guaranteed trap on them when they come down. It also gives movespeed, making you even faster.

The bonus to magic damage and the cooldown reduction isn't that useful for EW. It's okay, but there are better buys in EVERY situation, I'd say.

[BlazingStorm]

I prefer Stormspirit for mana regen on EW. You can tornado someone, then cast a trap, and then get a guaranteed trap on them when they come down. It also gives movespeed, making you even faster.

The bonus to magic damage and the cooldown reduction isn't that useful for EW. It's okay, but there are better buys in EVERY situation, I'd say.

What's your item build? What do you buy first?
StormSpirit seems interesting, but when would you buy it?

[[usK]CumBandit]

If im in a weird mood and bored with regular hon. Il go spellshards > codex > hellflower > harkons > possibly a nullstone in their somewhere. Of course this works better in casual mode.