Heroes of Newerth Quick Tips / Guide / List

[[DRAE]`blackbird`]

I've greatly reduced the number of disassembly tips to what I feel is a necessary degree. Again, these tips are very much open for debate as to whether they should be in my thread or not.

Also, I was thinking a bit more about the disassembly tips and I think the mentality I have regarding most of them is that I like having them because they are facts and I'm just leaving it up to you to decide whether or not the fact is worth acknowledging. Ya know, like I said...some disassemblies are pretty obviously not worthwhile, and some are, but many of them are debatable and I just don't have the time to theorycraft all of them. Not to mention I think many of the disassemblies are situational, and that makes them even more up to each individuals discretion to decide whether or not they are useful.

I just don't get why half of your disasembles are on there.

Striders

• Disassemble Ghost Marchers, Plated Greaves or Steamboots to use the Marchers in Striders.

Lets be honest, if you have steam/ghost/plated, you'd never swap them for striders, especially with the striders nerf.

Spellshards

• Disassemble a Hellflower to use the Arcana in Spellshards.

Troll?

Shrunken Head

• Disassemble a Savage Mace to use the Warhammer in a Shrunken Head.

More trolling?

Runed Cleaver

• Disassemble to use the Sustainer in a Null Stone or Restoration Stone.
• Disassemble a Barbed Armor to use the Broadsword in a Runed Cleaver.

You either get cleaver or null or both, you'd never get rid of a null just for a cleaver, null is just too good of an item.
You'd also get cleaver before barbed to boost your farm hardcore and honestly neither together because barbed is for tanks/people who get focused while cleaver is for boosting farm aka carrys who shouldn't be getting focused unless it's casual mode or something, but then cleaver before barbed.



There are so many more that I can point out, I just honestly see no point in this, since of the people who forum, I'd say a good 50-75% are competent enough to know what items to get and how to build them, thus not really needing this section, and then the remaining people probably don't even know how to disassemble so telling them all this is pointless.


To the hero section, add that you can use glacius's stun and monarchs heal on friendly heros to save them from something that would kill them because they both give a % based damage reduction. say flint is ulting a 300hp friendly hero, you freeze him with glacius and it takes away like 50-60% of the damage.

When playing as gladiator, if you have a teammate who uses mana a lot, and it's late game, tell him to carry multiple tps. he can tp fountain, and right before he leaves, you x marks the spot him. he'll have a 3-4 second heal period in fountain, as well as the 3-4 second buff that occurs after you leave it when he is ported back to the x spot you used on him right before he tp'd out.

[[GM]LikeABra]

since pharaoh's soul gives 10 second vision(i guess?) you can use it to block creep spawns(like the pull camp).just make sure it hits at :55 for example.Other things that block spawns are emerald traps,engineer mines,scout wards,blaphagore puked corpses.

A well timed Aluna's throw can stop creeps spawning (Needs alot practise and propably isnt worth it). Its also an amazing stacking tool and you can stack three camps in both jungles with it.

Using flying courier to block crucial early spawns is something I recommend for support players. Legionnaire is really weak if you block easy camp's 0:30 and 1:00 spawns. Also its good to block heavy camps when against ophelia and parasite so that they have lesser chance to get minotaur for early ganks . Just remember to keep flying courier above trees and monitor his hp in lower right corner.

[Hanthion]

Post is updated to this point.

Blackbird, I've made changes to the disassemblies per your request. I definitely agree with most of your changes and I understand the logic you are projecting...I just haven't fixed everything to perfection because it literally takes hours to sit down and think all of them through. Originally I posted every potential disassembly, useful or not...just to have them up there and also as a kind of "FYI you can do this but at your own risk" sort of thing. You've helped me dwindle down the list well and I'll probably find time to go through each of them someday but for now I'm going to just keep updating them one-by-one based on yours and others constructive input. So keep up the good work and I appreciate all of your help.

[[5nK]Nytemair]

I'll add a link in my thread to yours, because it is a Premium Guide you will get a wider audience/help more players.

Good luck with the thread.

[Hanthion]

Very cool Nytemair...thanks for adding that link into your thread.
Yea I just kinda picked up where you left off...If you'd ever like to take the reigns again just let me know.
And again, thanks for everything you've contributed.

How would I get my thread premiumed?

[[DrQs]OneSantaPlz]

Just make it good, the premium will be there eventually. Do not worry about premium.

[[5nK]Nytemair]

Very cool Nytemair...thanks for adding that link into your thread.
Yea I just kinda picked up where you left off...If you'd ever like to take the reigns again just let me know.
And again, thanks for everything you've contributed.

How would I get my thread premiumed?

PM a moderator such as Drasha or Dawnbringer asking for a look-over, and give a brief explanation of why it's worthy of premium/how it differs from other threads already in the premium section. Make sure to include a link to the thread as well as the general classification of it (hero guide/item guide etc).

[[FAPB]insane2k]

Insane2k, you should definitely provide a link to Baumi's YouTube series. Also, I know tablet used to disjoint KotF's ulti, and Panda's ulti used to cancel Swift's Blade Frenzy. I haven't performed those actions myself in awhile though, can you test those out for me by chance? If not, can someone else confirm that these no longer work? I'd just like a 2nd input before I go changing things based on one person.

Sorry for the late answer from my side, I haven't really followed the thread for a while. The youtube series I'm talking about can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mj-375ps6I

At least that's the first of... I think 8 different videos. Most of the stuff is pretty standard for people who know the game, but might be interesting for new players.
I also confirmed what I posted before. If you try to use a tablet inside of keepers ultimate, you wont be disjointed (works well with puppet hold or any other snare though - i think), same goes for swiftblade. The spinning effect does NOT stop if he gets ultied, but he can't move whatsoever.
If by "disjoint" you mean to use tablet the instant that keeper ultis and you won't get effected by it, that I don't know but I also don't think it would work


Edit: Sorry, my bad. Tablet does NOT work with puppet hold anymore. So I guess tablet of command can not be used to disjoint any snare, root or hold in any way. Just tried it out in practice mode, didnt work

[Hanthion]

cool man, thanks insane...I'll make the necessary updates

[cMe`]

Enemies can also use null fire to purge out of Keeper's ulti
Also Shrunken head oviously....

[Prosper`]

you can use the +10 stat items (agi blade, str axe, neobook) that cost 1000 gold each to boost shadowblade's ult, then resell them for full gold (if done within 15 seconds of course) and still maintain the stat boost from the ult.
cred to tralf for doing this on his stream ^^

[Hanthion]

need moar quick tips, go go go

[Katieeee]

Demented Shaman:
-Unbreakable gives a good amount of +Attack (15/30/45/60), so even if a team fight is heavy in your favor, use it to help clean up the fight a bit quicker. Also awesome in ganks on heroes who have blinks/other escape mechs just to help burst them down quick.

Empath:
-Her ultimate, As One, makes Empath Invulnerable, so skills doing DoT damage are automatically nullified once she uses this skill (this includes Lord Salforis's ultimate, The Undying)
-Never leave open slots in Empath's inventory. Use extra slots for HP/Mana Potions as she can easily use them on her host while using her ultimate.

Witch Slayer:
-Power Drain instantly kills illusions, which includes Silhouette's ult.

[[E]Clytemnestra]

pollywog's morph also kills illusions.tongue or ws miniatur. do NOT kill them(why am i remembering they did once?)
also empath can use ring of sorcery while ulting someone to give mana for both herself and nearby allies.if you carry is magebane,nh or whatever melee hero,consider getting an abyssal skull as you can use items while ulting and auras apply.(astrolabe effect and aura,nome's or abyssal,tablet etc.)
since unbreakable is a projectile,your ally can die before it is applied to him and the spell will go on cooldown.

[[GM]LikeABra]

Advanced

Neutral creeps killed directly in their creep camp after :37 will not respawn at :00. // Neutrals have to be killed before :38 (as in :37:99 still counts)

Defiler

Ulti works while using Storm spirit.

Ulti works while invisible. Take invis rune right when you have activated your ulti to confuse enemies. Also revenants invis is a good combo with this.

Voodoo jester

Use assasin shroud either to get close to enemy for stun+cursed+ulti combo or use it while channeling the ulti. Codex is a legendary combo with cursed ground. Cursed ground cannot be purged and allies with cursed ground cant be denied.

Tablet of Command

Disrupts channeling (ulties): Devourer, Voodoo, Succu, Tempest.

Is really powerful against Kraken ulti and pharao mummy walls.

Cheapest item to remove nullstone. (Valid pickup with a Codex-Fayde to remove early nullstones on carries... Maybe put this to fayde tips too?)

[[GM]LikeABra]

Tempest
If possible, Use meteor before ulti to get decent amount of extra damage.

Glacius/Rhapsody
Your ulti can be tideturner from fog.
When you barely surivive/juke enemy, try to position yourself uphill/forest and cast ulti for epic turnovers in teamfights.

Regen items:
Items that have only mana or hp regeneration can be borrowed by allies. Scarab, Trinket of restoration, lifetube and manatube (but not sustainer).
Courier, dust, wards, potions, bottle, eye, tp and runes of blight can be used regardless the ownership.

[[GM]LikeABra]

EDIT: Sorry for triple posting but I wanna bump this thread to get more ppl to give hints as well!

SW, TB, Vindi and Flux ulti applies attack modifiers.

Going Frostwulf on flux is powerful due to Magnetic surge applying slow as well.

Demented Shaman
Unbreakable can be used offensifely because it gives lots of additional damage. (15 / 30 / 45 / 60)
Unbreakable works against Legionnaires Decapitate and Lord Salfori's The Undying.

Puppetmaster
It is possible to hit enemy and puppet when you crit out from assasin shroud and cast ulti while attack is in air.

Moonqueen
Multi-Strike can be toggled to bounce only on heroes.
Use unorthodox walking paths while farming in jungle/checking the rune/out of lane to encounter enemies and get perfect ulties.

Void Talisman counters Panda and Rampage completely.

Health Potion can be used with double activation to survive the last DoT-tick or final autoattack.

You can buy marchers and ward, start moving to ward their pullcamp and then sell marchers back right before the full-refund ends. Use courier to get starting items, when you have succesfully placed the ward.

[Koriass]

Tundra's ultimate can also be used to counter swift blade blade frenzy or any magic immune unit

[Koriass]

Heroes like Nomad and Scout benefit greatly from the 125 damage from shroud with their 100% crit abilities

[[1143]antCB]

Heroes like Nomad and Scout benefit greatly from the 125 damage from shroud with their 100% crit abilities

While I do not entirely disagree with you, why would you spend 3.3k on a shroud for scout (while you could be getting your riftshards, basher (3.1k), nullfire(which can be very helpfull), etc)?