Nova's farewell blog is pretty honest about it:
Sigh, indeed.I don't know whether to be ashamed of or amused by the fact that bar our last bootcamp prior Dreamhack Summer 2012 we never really got to practise at our bootcamps at all. Not more than a couple games.
This is both sad and good news.. Sad that he left fntc, but its great to get you back in HoN Goodluck with your new team, and also you should start streaming on Twitch, its better for HoN !
Great loss for Fnatic, but also great news for the HoN scene. Curious to see another top team forming
atleast if i was a dota player / only followed the dota scene i would find it pretty amusing.
alltough it shows how good fntic is, the gap in skill between fntic and other top tier teams shouldnt be that big if the hon teams were at a higher standard (however with the lack of tournaments and hon players it is completly understandable)
Im not to knowledgeable on the DotA2 scene but Id bet some money that if NaVi was removed from the game and played LoL or HoN, and proceeded to return half a year later they could still have top tier success regularly. Once you have the skill its not like you lose it, not to mention the skill between the two games are at least somewhat transferable.
And you might not believe it, but HoN is pretty different from DotA in a lot of aspects. Biggest one would be (which is also Fnatics biggest problem) is the difference in teamfights and how important they are. DotA depends way more on teamfights and actual teamsynergy and teamplay. Fnatic is lacking behind in those 2 aspects by a lot.
"HoN is a hardcore "moba" game, not an esport game. Yes we have the best title for eSports in our genre, but eSports and its players accounts for very very little of HoN's playerbase,"
- Phil The Thrill, director of e-sports
If that happened in star craft 2, dota 2 or any other decent esports title they would have had no chance. Shinkz post was just blind fanboyism towards hon, tobi made one comment who said it was hilarious. Tell me who wouldnt think its funny if a team played a different game for 6 months bootcamps the day before a tournament playing that game and then wins the biggest tournament ever in another game the following day with minimal practice compared to other teams.
TDM vs fntc had 4k viewers in group play and had a final scores of like 11-6 after 50 minutes then s2 says the hon is more gank heavy then dota 2 as well as saying that hon is the best esports title in the world. compare honcast to joindota, look at the news article. Hon didnt even make a news article about team fntc losing nova, blackfade disbanding there is nothing on the official hon forums, gosu gamers or honcast.com.
dont even get started on zyori who all hon fans praise as being an amazing and insightful caster.
2. No matter how many hours dota Fnatic will actually play they have 10x times more hon hours played so y they are still better in hon than in dota.
3. Fnatic just won dreamhack cuz of the farm metagame probably the worst someone can play vs fnatic i dont know why they all picked carry strats over tank meta or push or aggressive stuff because the farm meta is where fnatic really shines with theyre mastermind fly outdrafting the enemys and era outfarming the whole enemy team.
4. hon-news.com the site where u can grab all the information that is missing on the sites u quoted before
5. i agree with u that zyori is not a that good caster like many think but still 100 times better than tobi.
just my 2 cent iam out of this dota 2 fanboy
edit: ah and wellcome back nova <3
Last edited by orderx; 07-01-2012 at 05:18 AM.
however i dont. i dont play dota, and i enjoy playing hon alot aswell as watching competetive matches. however i agree with 90% of his post, and tbh if you dont ur just displaying a huge bias towards hon/the community.
1. there is more action in dota 2 games than hon atm (and has been the last 6 months atleast)
2. fntic practised extreamly little hon compared to other teams (compared to what u should be able to get away with in a 60.000 dollar tournament)
3.dota 2 has a MUCH larger fan following/scene and greater coverage concerning the scene.
these are facts, whether you play/like hon or dota this is the situation atm
Last edited by Peepz; 07-01-2012 at 06:50 AM.
That 90% of his post is right is just bullshit srsly..... i mean be serious when a starcraft 2 pro stops playing for a year he can still make it back into the pro scene easily maybe even get the best again thats nothing special. Cuz there are some basics u will never forget and he will never get worser than that so u can start building up from that basics again. And for pros that basics are probably so high that 95% of regular players will even never reach that basic pool that the pro have and will never forget.
(Thought I would bold the important bits so you can understand it easier - thank me later )
I'm not saying it's a joke fnatic can win without practice it is just very impressive. But HoN is indeed one of the few games where this is possible.
Just my opinion tho.
Also, yes if this happened in Sc2 it would be a huge upset. I still think it's a real achievement to do what Fnatic did this DHS. But I think you're forgetting about the ammount of time they've put in to the game. It's not like DotA made them worse, I would say better in one sense. I also don't think that any other team than Fnatic could've done this, which should be pretty obvious. There were many mental factors that also played a HUGE role throughout the whole tournament, and I think we all know that when it comes to mentallity, Fnatic is really strong. They have the perfect teamsynergy which is really adaptable to different games, which you can see when they play. They won by a teameffort, not invidual skill in HoN.