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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by sHiNKz View Post
    The only reason why Tobi publically attacks competing 'MOBA’s' is a result of jealously and an attempt to validate his chosen career path.
    No its not. Fnatic came to HoN and won the entire thing (DH) without practicing. Its been stated numerous times by several members of the team.

    It is freaking laughable that they are able to do that. Sure they are very good at the game, but everyone knows that without practice you just don't play anywhere close to your potential. Imagine the level of play, if they where actually forced (read: due to competition) to practice the game and genuinely master it.

    No team in Dota2 can take 6 months off and then come back only to win TI3. It just isn't gonna happen due to a wayyy higher competition amongst the top teams and you can't get away with imperfect play (which Fnatic's DH games where filled with and I'm sure they would agree).
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  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by BadaBing View Post
    No its not. Fnatic came to HoN and won the entire thing (DH) without practicing. Its been stated numerous times by several members of the team.

    It is freaking laughable that they are able to do that. Sure they are very good at the game, but everyone knows that without practice you just don't play anywhere close to your potential. Imagine the level of play, if they where actually forced (read: due to competition) to practice the game and genuinely master it.

    No team in Dota2 can take 6 months off and then come back only to win TI3. It just isn't gonna happen due to a wayyy higher competition amongst the top teams and you can't get away with imperfect play (which Fnatic's DH games where filled with and I'm sure they would agree).
    That is one of a few comments Tobi has made about competing games. The others aren't as easily defensible and are clear displays of dishonest and unnecessary elitism.

  3. #123
    Nova leaving fnatic... Trixi doesnt have a real clan at the moment in dota2.

    Might be a possibility?

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by NoVa View Post


    Alright, today I'll start trying out players.
    Before I got picked up by Fnatic I organized two clans, both of them with more than 150 tryouts. I know the drill.
    In roughly two months I want to have created and established a team that can play at the top.
    Why that 'late'? Because one of the most valuable lessons I learned is the importance of friendship and synergy within the team. And you can't achieve that in a couple days.
    Besides, there will be a little twist in my recruitment - which is the reason why I even write a post about it.
    I want to give promising talents and old hands a chance alike. There's no use in enforcing a team out of experienced players when the next N0tail is waiting somewhere out there, desperately trying to get into the scene.
    Obviously I won't be able to try out everyone including those with a slightly damaged self-perception. Thus I need to take those condemned stats into account.
    Due to my experience in creating teams I unfortunately need to underline that noone of you has the right to be tried out. I'll decide whether I want to spend the time or not. At the same time, however, I can assure you that fairness and honesty are two very important subjects in this process.
    There's no perfect way to approach me but please refrain from messaging me ingame about this.
    You can write in the respective thread or write a pm to me. Even a private message on my facebook page works.

    If you have what it takes, go ahead.
    Introducing yourself shouldn't result in a wall of text but more than one sentence would be appreciated. Your main and possible sub account is required as well as a working microphone. I won't post a PSR/MMR/region restriction here but the first filter will be based on stats as mentioned before.
    Thanks for reading.



    Ps: I want to share something totally unrelated to my departure from Fnatic but highly related to every second topic in these and other forums.
    During our bootcamp at the Gameffect netcafe in Sweden, we had Heroes of Newerth, League of Legends and Defense of the Ancients 2 players, in short, HoNtrash, LoLfags and Dotards all in one place. Why is it that we were able to discuss the games and even try to learn something else from each other, despite the fact that the games put emphasis on different parts? Shouldn't we hate each other for the fact that the other guy plays a crappy, inferior game?

    Obviously I can state that I dislike LoL for this and that reason. But that's personal preference and nothing else. I like Broodwar more than II. That doesn't make Broodwar the better game, even if others agree with me. The difference in playerbase for the games defines by no means it's worthiness but gives credit to marketing strategies and given circumstances.
    And every game has its own flaws and benefits.

    Ofcourse you will find that problem within everything concerning taste, such as music, art or movies - but I would like to remind some of you that these arguments are simply useless.

    Pss: I havn't decided yet whether to stream on ow3nd or twitch but I'm planning to stream in latest one week from now on.
    (just wanted to repost this on the current page, so we don't get into a 'let's talk about Tobi discussion')

  5. #125
    Tobi is a ****ing tool. HoN and DOTA2 both nice, just a matter of preference.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by F00RSP00K View Post
    Tobi is a ****ing tool.
    Unfortunately, this.
    All he does is drink Red Bull and scream which abilities are used in a fight, he seems like a nice guy though.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Leguaani View Post
    Unfortunately, this.
    All he does is drink Red Bull and scream which abilities are used in a fight
    Therefore all casters are tools?
    "HoN is a hardcore "moba" game, not an esport game. Yes we have the best title for eSports in our genre, but eSports and its players accounts for very very little of HoN's playerbase,"
    - Phil The Thrill, director of e-sports

  8. #128
    It's enough, for the rest there is synderen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sHiNKz View Post
    The only reason why Tobi publically attacks competing 'MOBA’s' is a result of jealously and an attempt to validate his chosen career path. Probably saw the massive line to enter the DH Arena for HoN compared to the lack of line for DotA2 and wondered if it was the game or his casting ability that turned people away. I mean the arena for DotA2 only started filling up as the SC2 final got closer.

    Previously he used the excuse that "DotA2 is still in beta... So yeah..." but since Valve has stated the game is not in beta and is purchasable for $40 this argument is unusable.

    Also HoN most played 'MOBA' of DHS12 (beaten by Diablo3 and Wow in most played game). I think HoN was also the most played game at DH for the last few years too.

    This isn't a hate post or anything like that, I'm actually really good friends with Tobi but I do think it's unfair of him to attack every HoN team especially when previous HoN players are currently toping the scene over there in DotA 2 (Sup Kebap) probably due to their shown ability at adapting to new games (DotA -> HoN -> DotA2) or in Kepab's case even some LoL. I just think the reason why he attacks the scene here is purely an emotional one as mentioned earlier.

    EDIT: Sure you can be logical with arguments about why YOU personally dislike other games but it's unfair to abuse and attack other teams that you have no idea about for the purpose of making yourself look better.

    I don't get this mindset. There's nothing wrong with loving a particular game over the other but to even suggest HoN is or ever will be a more popular game than DotA 2 is a farce and rather pathetic on your part. Enjoy HoN for what it is, but don't put blinders on to the real world.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by sHiNKz View Post
    The only reason why Tobi publically attacks competing 'MOBA’s' is a result of jealously and an attempt to validate his chosen career path. Probably saw the massive line to enter the DH Arena for HoN compared to the lack of line for DotA2 and wondered if it was the game or his casting ability that turned people away. I mean the arena for DotA2 only started filling up as the SC2 final got closer.

    Previously he used the excuse that "DotA2 is still in beta... So yeah..." but since Valve has stated the game is not in beta and is purchasable for $40 this argument is unusable.

    Also HoN most played 'MOBA' of DHS12 (beaten by Diablo3 and Wow in most played game). I think HoN was also the most played game at DH for the last few years too.

    This isn't a hate post or anything like that, I'm actually really good friends with Tobi but I do think it's unfair of him to attack every HoN team especially when previous HoN players are currently toping the scene over there in DotA 2 (Sup Kebap) probably due to their shown ability at adapting to new games (DotA -> HoN -> DotA2) or in Kepab's case even some LoL. I just think the reason why he attacks the scene here is purely an emotional one as mentioned earlier.

    EDIT: Sure you can be logical with arguments about why YOU personally dislike other games but it's unfair to abuse and attack other teams that you have no idea about for the purpose of making yourself look better.
    dont know if u forgot that dota 2 allso had over twice as many veiwers during the whole tournament. and what are these attacks u are talking about? i think ive watched every match tobi casted with fntc and i havent heard him say anything dissrespectful towards fntc nor hon

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Swanker View Post
    I don't get this mindset. There's nothing wrong with loving a particular game over the other but to even suggest HoN is or ever will be a more popular game than DotA 2 is a farce and rather pathetic on your part. Enjoy HoN for what it is, but don't put blinders on to the real world.
    way to put words into his mouth

    also love how you could ever have the gall to claim something to be "rather pathetic on your part" :')
    Last edited by Hamcake; 06-30-2012 at 02:14 PM.

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    Send me a private message if you have any questions and I'll be glad to help you out !

  13. #133
    To let you know, FanaticRC is going to play agaisnt Na´vi right now. Oh the massacre...

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Laramii View Post
    To let you know, FanaticRC is going to play agaisnt Na´vi right now. Oh the massacre...
    Trixi ringing for FnaticRC... gotta watch it.

  15. #135
    Fnatic not doing too bad thus far

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Deityh View Post
    Trixi ringing for FnaticRC... gotta watch it.
    this match is agonisingly dull

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by sHiNKz View Post
    This isn't a hate post or anything like that, I'm actually really good friends with Tobi but I do think it's unfair of him to attack every HoN team especially when previous HoN players are currently toping the scene over there in DotA 2 (Sup Kebap) probably due to their shown ability at adapting to new games (DotA -> HoN -> DotA2) or in Kepab's case even some LoL. I just think the reason why he attacks the scene here is purely an emotional one as mentioned earlier.
    Wow sHINKz, you sound pretty mad. Truth is that Fnatic took DHS12 after training for 1 week or 2 while the rest of the teams played HoN full-time. That's silly and wouldn't ever happen in Dota 2.

    Truth is, HoN teams can't keep up with the Dota 2 ones.

  18. #138
    H4nn1 really needs to step up his Tinker play.. Like A LOT. Failing to chain-hex a target twice in a row (first 1v1 on Furion and then WR almost gets out just after).

    And he gets Bloodstone+Dagon on Tinker, when Euls have proven to be insanely good vs Lone Druids. There are SO many better items than Bloodstone and Dagon, I would be pretty qq if I was on a turtling team and my carry Tinker bought those items.

    Navi would have rolled then way, way earlier if they weren't playing with 2 standins. But I guess they where happy to see Fnatic not leaving base, as they had the far better lategame as well.

    But hey, at least Fnatic is getting some good practice in. Now they just need to actually scrim as a team, so we can avoid seeing these pub mistakes and some better games.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by BadaBing View Post
    No its not. Fnatic came to HoN and won the entire thing (DH) without practicing. Its been stated numerous times by several members of the team.
    So we're making stuff up now are we?

    They pracitced plenty before dreamhack so don't make **** up thanks, though even if they wouldn't have and still won, it would've been IMPRESSIVE not laughable that they were able to do so.

    Sigh....

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Chrysaetos View Post
    Wow sHINKz, you sound pretty mad. Truth is that Fnatic took DHS12 after training for 1 week or 2 while the rest of the teams played HoN full-time. That's silly and wouldn't ever happen in Dota 2.

    Truth is, HoN teams can't keep up with the Dota 2 ones.
    I see how convincent are you arguments. Im really impressed.

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