Anyone wanna tell me the key to win a solo lane (presumably mid) against arachna? dont just tell me double damage rune and rape him I mean actual tactics to beat this hero. I have never lost mid as arachna and I have never won mid against an arachna and it just is infuriating considering with the new avatar im going to be seeing arachna every game for the next 200 games.
For example I played deadwood (dont have match ID) and every time i got close to smash a creep he'd hit me with 2-3 auto attacks. I'd get the opportunity to pick up a hatchet creep every 30 seconds, presumably missing 1/4 of them. That means that after 5 minutes if I can't get near the creep wave and can only get hatchet creeps I still won't have my bottle. By then he'll have marchers, bottle (if he chooses to opt for that) soulscream rings, vestments, whatever he wants simply because I can't get near the creep wavve as a melee hero and as a ranged hero I cannot exchange autos with him without getting fcked.
Use a ranged hero with some nuking/CC power. That's one thing that Arachna has a hard time dealing with (it is extremely rare to see Arachna level Carapace in the laning phase). Also beating her to the runes helps if you have a hero with better mobility than her.
If you're a melee hero you really have to abuse creep aggro mechanics to get the creep wave uphill or closer to your tower so you can get some farm. That, or bait Arachna to get out of position so you can properly put him in a bad situation. Smart players won't ever let you do that though!
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i tried pyromancer before and the guy levelled carapace right away (maybe even maxxed it) i was so pissed off X_X
Maxing carapace seriously gimps your earlygame as Arachna, but if that is a problem try heroes such as Nomad.
A good arachna is very hard to beat mid without a heavy ranged nuker. So just leech experience get the little farm you can and then make sure your team carries tps and keeps the map warded so when arach comes to gank u can just tp away and giggle at her underwhelming pressence in the game.
You can destroy her with thunderbringer provided you're careful to manage your spacing. She's so insanely squishy earlygame that even the harass from your chain lightning lasthitting will cause her a lot of problems, and once the blast spam starts she's going to be spending a lot of time healing. However, if you let her get in on you away from your tower you're in trouble.
Just have one of your side lanes gank arachna. She may be ridiculous 1v1, but she doesn't stand a chance against ganks.
TB is a good call, besides that you can take fayde/deadwood, resign yourself to getting no farm and just get a bottle first and get XP and whore the runes, gank the side lanes. Yes, she is going to get some free farm in mid but when you've destroyed the other 2 lanes and pushed the tier 1 towers and start ganking her it won't have mattered that much.
She is one of the best mid heroes IMO because she can outharass pretty much anyone and lasthit like a baws. Not only that but because of her awesome ult she has a really good early-mid game precence and can solo people and even gank effectively.
First things first : Arachna is NOT one of the "strongest" mids out there. Just more noob friendly
Here are a few heroes that easily rape her mid
-Melee : Nomad , fayde , mk , panda
-Range : Tort , Hag , FA , Silhouette(I feel nothing should beat a good silh in mid) , Gunblade etc...
Once you feel comfortable with beating her , you can easily do it with heroes such as pyro , bubbles etc aswell
sorry but that suggestion isn't possible =)
Last match I raped her with bubbles, not sure if she wasn't as good but around the level 2/3 mark I kept harrasing in combination with my shell surf, Usually I go for early bottle meaning I buy Mark of novice 1x minor totem and rune of the blight and I got my bottle after a few creep kills.
After the lane as pushed around the 1:45 mark I got the rune and simply kept outharrasing her.
Btw, a good polly destroys arachna mid.
Start with 4 minor totems and nuke/farm your bottle and ward in the first 2 waves. (Assuming a teammate can up the courier)
Proceed to rape arachna as you nuke and harass all day. If she ever gets the advantage webshot slow on you, just mini her and trololo away. Rune control, no problem.
So if I'm 1500 either A) i'm bad or B) i'm good and everyone else is bad? I can't just be average?
In the 1500s (which I'm still fluctuating in and out of) hero balance doesn't really matter.
Melee heroes destroy bad arachnas all the time, even though they shouldn't.
The range of people who know how to play and people who don't know what their skills even do is too broad, especially with smurfing accounts or people who fluctuate in and out like me.
The best possible way to beat an arachna mid is to have a side lane/roamer gank. Arachna doesn't necessarily have rune control, so that's another option, but for the most parts, ganking arachna early gimps her mid and late hard.
Once she gets to level 5, make sure you have a TP flown to you on the monkey so you can dodge her ult. If you have a full bottle, you can tp one tower back, kill the spider and refill with the bottle and run back down to kill Arachna. She generally won't be expecting it since most people just double-tap the TP back to well.
However, heroes like DW and Pebbles can kill Arachna if she over-extends at levels 4 or 5. The best ways to do this are to let her get in a good amount of hits on you to let Arachna think they are winning. They will eventually get more and more ballsy to try and keep lane control. Once they cross the river to your territory, Arachna has no escape. Stun her and kill her. Or you can bait the rune and kill her in the middle of the river. In a straight up one side of the river vs. the other harass battle, you will never beat her. Especially with melee. The only way to beat her 1v1 is to get her away from her tower, cc her, close the distance and kill her.
If you want direct counters to her, then FA is about as good as it gets. Get at least two levels in Skellies and deactivate the skill (stores skellies for later use). The second she throws the spiders, just spawn your skeletons and right click the spider. Skeletons WILL attack the spider and it will die instantly. Since most Arachna players tend to throw the spider and run in, you can generally get a good stun/ult combo off immediately on her and kill her.
Always carry TP.
Or if you play heroes with minions, then you can eat her spider with those. Otherwise, her other abilities shouldn't be impossible to play against given that you don't overextend. You may have to sacrifice last hits, but if you stay relatively cautious, you won't die as much and there is a higher chance of her overextending to kill you.