Lock Pick Mode

[[SmZ]SomaZ]

Oh man, why make it 5 man only? I'd solo queue for this mode gladly

[[4Qu]BloOd`8o8`]

Oh yeah! can't wait to get my first hand on it.

[Sk0ld]

Drafting just became harder than playing the actual game ! JK I don't know anything about picking heroes.

[[KFB]Millikin]

Oh man, why make it 5 man only? I'd solo queue for this mode gladly

Probably because to totaly rely on blue/pink with 2 bans, 3locks and then 3 banns again without consorting with your team sucks. And just because you are blue/pink doesn't mean **** about how good of a drafter you are... only how "skilled" you are on playing your prefered heroes.

[[SBT]Rkey]

This seems really good, I'm not done thinking yet but I feel like you can force picks to the enemy with this lock picking mode by watching what they lock, locking accordingly and banning accordingly.

[[Imag]Biffo]

Ok but... why did they remove banning pick mode?

[Jeroz]

they removed Ban Draft, the one with a random smaller pool of heroes

[[Onyx]MrKrane]

Why would they not let cm players use it AND take away a game mode, it's impossible to get a banning pick game in both modes, GREAT choice s2 -.-

[[S2]DOGKaiser]

Oh man, why make it 5 man only? I'd solo queue for this mode gladly

There were multiple reasons why we chose to remove it from solo queue.
1. There is a large amount of trolling that would happen
2. It is a competitive mode and focuses on the competitive aspects of the game.
3. Gives competitive teams and teams trying to join the competitive scene a good place to scrim
4. Competitive modes generally have less play numbers, by limiting it to only 5 man queue's you encourage more players to create those 5 man team's to keep it surviving as a competitive game mode.
5. And the one that means the most to me: It creates a better atmosphere, players will be encouraged to get along with other members in order to continue to play the mode

[[SmZ]SomaZ]

4. Competitive modes generally have less play numbers, by limiting it to only 5 man queue's you encourage more players to create those 5 man team's to keep it surviving as a competitive game mode.

This is the only point that I don't consider complete bs. All the other points are made up/unimportant (trolling is easily fixable by separating the 5 man teams from others).


So, basically, you're forcing people to create teams which will hopefully improve the competitive scene. Smart I suppose.

[Pwnograhpy]

Won't they ban the heroes they definitely don't want the enemy to possibly first pick or end up second picking then the heroes they don't want to possibly end up getting stuck with as such in the 2 good heroes and 4 bad heroes set up?

[ProtoProtoss]

Won't they ban the heroes they definitely don't want the enemy to possibly first pick or end up second picking then the heroes they don't want to possibly end up getting stuck with as such in the 2 good heroes and 4 bad heroes set up?

Generally, people just look at the top players most played chars and ban them so they can't use them, or they ban annoying heroes that ks or can kill from retarded distances or massive harass.

I do they it was nice the way they introduced Lock Pick though, but it's just annoying long of a process from the looks of it. I'm about to go test it now though, but it looked great in the vids... just slow. Hopefully it has the option to play lock pick or regular, as I won't always feel like going through that process.

[`Beast``]

Looks pretty awesome, alot of mind games before that game actually starts.

[Daaaaaaaark]

There were multiple reasons why we chose to remove it from solo queue.
1. There is a large amount of trolling that would happen
2. It is a competitive mode and focuses on the competitive aspects of the game.
3. Gives competitive teams and teams trying to join the competitive scene a good place to scrim
4. Competitive modes generally have less play numbers, by limiting it to only 5 man queue's you encourage more players to create those 5 man team's to keep it surviving as a competitive game mode.
5. And the one that means the most to me: It creates a better atmosphere, players will be encouraged to get along with other members in order to continue to play the mode

to:
1.: u should know that could be the case if u thumb up the mode - if u dont want to dare it dont just dont play the mode then

2.: ? i dont understand why playing as 5 makes it more competetive. u will win with 5 random 1700ish ppl most likely against 5 friends with 1400 who use skype

3.: yes true but where is the reason not to let solo queuer or 2 man teams experience the same thing? its not like making it possible for soloers to play the mode kills the fun for 5 man teams?

4.: so to play that mode im forced to ask the chat if there are 4 other ppl who want to play lock pick with me (for example late at night when none of my m8s is online)?

5.: im not sure if u consider it being a good atmosphere to play a "competetive" mode with ur FRIENDS - well if i play with my friends i usually dont want to be the tryhard guy who wants to make sure to win - ofc winning is cool but if u play with ur friends the playing itself should be the main aspect why u play - and not to win imo

if u consider all of these ull notice there is nearly no reason not to let for example 4 man groups play lock picking
and if u fear being trolled DONT tick it.

[Abster]

wow this is so amazing.
Whole new level of mind games to be played with this new picking mode

You can prevent heros from being banned, bait picks, force picks and even reveal or fake part of your strat etc etc.

As others have said, it will be really interesting to see how this pans out.


S2 if your looking for feedback regarding the 5 man only thing - I think if you make it optional for solo queue (as in thumb up or down) i see no reason not to allow it. Forcing (not 'encouraging') the community to create 5 man teams isn't gonna work as people who want to play competitively already do unless they cannot invest enough time...

[[TECH]Gorb]

This is the only point that I don't consider complete bs. All the other points are made up/unimportant (trolling is easily fixable by separating the 5 man teams from others).

So, basically, you're forcing people to create teams which will hopefully improve the competitive scene. Smart I suppose.

Would you like to explain on how they are "bs", or are you content with a throwaway line of dismissal?

[[SmZ]SomaZ]

Would you like to explain on how they are "bs", or are you content with a throwaway line of dismissal?

I kind of did, but ok.

1. There is a large amount of trolling that would happen
Trolling is fixed by separating 5 man teams from other queuers. Trolling occurs in other modes as well but I don't see AP being disabled for Solo Queue because of that.

2. It is a competitive mode and focuses on the competitive aspects of the game.
It's a competitive mode... Erm... Ok? So what? A really weird reason that has very little to do with disabling it for randoms.

3. Gives competitive teams and teams trying to join the competitive scene a good place to scrim
Again, separate 5 man teams and they will have their "scrims" and "competitive experience", not a good reason to lock other players out.

4. Competitive modes generally have less play numbers, by limiting it to only 5 man queue's you encourage more players to create those 5 man team's to keep it surviving as a competitive game mode.
Good reason to force the creation of teams, like I said. Only "good" point, even though questionable.

5. And the one that means the most to me: It creates a better atmosphere, players will be encouraged to get along with other members in order to continue to play the mode
"Atmosphere". This is pretty much the same as point 2. Very vague and unrelated.


Sorry, I'm just stating my opinion.

Edit: Here's a better way to put this so you understand what I mean:
I can use all 5 of the above "reasons" on any game mode with the same results.
For example for All Pick:
1. Trolling can occur because people can pick what they want (nh, scout) without asking their team.
Reasons 2-5 can be used if I make the mode competitive-only.

[[NCRO]Durandal_]

So like

Why can't you pick any new heroes for people that have them?

[Ryuusan]

So like

Why can't you pick any new heroes for people that have them?

The game is based in tournament mode. This means only heroes that have been added to the mode will be able to be picked. New heroes and items (eg. EA/ grave's locket) cannot be picked. This is the mode that competitions and professional players abide by.

I haven't tried it, but I assume mods don't work either?

[[ix3]Baer]

Maybe you should do an interview with some competitive players, where they give us their opinion about the new mode.