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Hi there!
I've been playing HoN on and off since the beta and I have now decided I want to take a step up from
casual fungames with friends and actually improve and get better.
I thought a good way to start was to pick role in HoN and focus on getting better at that specific role. And basically my questions are:
What defines a "Semi"-support? How exactly does it differ from a full support?
What's my primary objectives in a typical HoN-game as a semi support?
Could you list a few examples on semi support heroes?
And finally, Is there anything anyone would like to recommend me to look in to? Such as streams, YouTube vids, guides, threads etc
All help is greatly appreciated!
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Reading this post of mine may clear it up a bit for you: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...1#post15134889
Also the entire thread: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...4962-Hero-role
To put it simply a full support is an hero(es) that can support well without any items, these are mostly heroes like Glacius,Demented shaman,monarch,myrmidon,andromeda.
While semi-support need a bit of farm to be very effective, heroes like Magmus,Behemoth are usually the case, or engineer even.
Unfortunately, Unless you are playing with friends and are well organized have and good communication there is no such thing as "Semi-support" in pubs. If you pick anything that is remotely support you will be expected to stack ward counter ward etc and sacrifice all farm to the team. However if you come across a good team or find a clan or friends to play with some good semi supports (assuming you already have a hard support on your team) Would be heroes like Aluna, Magmus, Behe, Etc. The thing about a semi-support is that they can also fill another role for the team. Aluna can semi carry if need be, mag and behe can initiate etc. Which is why nobody ever really classifies heroes as a semi support.
For clarities sake lets focus on magmus. Magmus needs only his boots and his pk to do his job. After those two items all the rest of his gold can be used on supporting without sacrificing his utility to the team. Sure mag can be great with extra items to boost his survivability and damage output, but if your team needs more help on the support side mag would be a hero to "semi support". His main role is still initiator though.
As far as watching things to get an idea for how semi supporting a team SHOULD work. There was alot of great examples in this weekends Dreamhack event. We saw quite a few alunas and especially h4nni on behe showing excellent examples of semi supporting. Really though IMO semi supporting should not be the niche you want to master untill you have a solid team to play with. You'd be much better off learning to semi carry or playing ganker/intiator type heroes. By master ganking and intiation you greatly increase (in order to progress anyway) Your decision making and positioning skills. "Do i go in now" "how will this most likely turn out" "should i go top right now or stay here" etc.
Hope this is a little along the lines of what you were looking for. As opposed to a post about what makes magebane a hard carry and valk a semi carry lol
Semisupports are what Clan Milk calls in their videos "Off-warders" which are heroes which still should ward but need certain items to be effective. A good deal of semi-supports can be placed into other categories, such as Behe (probably the best example) who is also an initiator. Behe, for example, will support, ward, buy the situational eye, counterward, and up the courier, but, and this is the main thing, still needs a somewhat expensive (set of) item(s) to be entirely effective. With behe, the fat slow squishy has to get a pk, boots, and resolve his mana issues, all hopefully before the 25 minute mark. Of course, with a sky rocketing GPM Behe has been said to be "carry" material... but we're talking like MW farm right here. (Heart, Post Haste, Mock, Frostfield Plate, PK, Spellshards lvl 3 :P ANNIHILATION BEHE!)
As Behe, I always tend to start off with both wards because, knowing my trash tier, my team looks something like Sand Wraith, TDL, Scout, and Rampage. However, and I love these few occasions, sometimes I find myself with another support, in which case I get my crushing claws and the nymphora/pr/glacius/andro wards it out. In a game where you can expect pure supports such as these, generally the pure support is still going to take a larger priority on the warding, etc. and the semi support is going to help with smaller jobs, such as uping the courier, warding a few times, and counterwarding, since the player needs their 3500g in farm by the 25 min mark and can't be spending every cent buying out the shop with wards and other items.
My absolute favorite semi support is fayde. I start with 1 ward + courier, 2 mana pots, a health pot and tangos and head short lane. I pick up an iron shield, striders or steamboots depending on my assists or kills, and take charge of warding / counterwarding. Best paired with an FA or sillhouette or similar ranged carry. Man. Love me some support fayde. :P
Depends what you mean by "semi support". If you mean chucking up wards every so often then pretty much any hero can semi support.
I'd define a semi support as a hero that can relieve the monetary pressure from the hard supports in the mid game after they have their core items by helping to ward/counter ward etc. i.e. a hero that needs SOME farm, particularly early on, but doesn't scale into late so they can help the harder supports and let them get some suvivability/utility etc.
Midas for example. Glocket, Steams, RoS. Now you can help ward whilst saving for spellshards, push stick etc. Same with magmus and behe once they have PK and some stats items + full boots they can help support.
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