tdm vs fnatic (what happened?)

[[CM]YUMstix`]

Era's really good. Also you didn't factor in a farming hammerstorm on our team I don't take all jungle stacks like era does and all triple stacked ancients. Me and bkid shared farm.

Is that something that you guys will look into changing in the future? Or are you comfortable with that method? It was evident (in both games) that the one fully farmed hard carry on Fnatic's side was able to beat both near-fully farmed carries on your side. Do you think that maybe you should follow suit and have you (or whoever is carrying) farm all the stacks and ancients, or do you support your current game plan?

[[HoNA]Food]

Is that something that you guys will look into changing in the future? Or are you comfortable with that method? It was evident (in both games) that the one fully farmed hard carry on Fnatic's side was able to beat both near-fully farmed carries on your side. Do you think that maybe you should follow suit and have you (or whoever is carrying) farm all the stacks and ancients, or do you support your current game plan?

It wasn't just Era though. The whole team outfarmed them, especially in the second game. H4nni, Fly, and N0tail were able to get a lot of their items during the mid game as TDM fell behind.

[[iG]Sender]

Is that something that you guys will look into changing in the future? Or are you comfortable with that method? It was evident (in both games) that the one fully farmed hard carry on Fnatic's side was able to beat both near-fully farmed carries on your side. Do you think that maybe you should follow suit and have you (or whoever is carrying) farm all the stacks and ancients, or do you support your current game plan?

I would say there are different situations where putting all on one hero would be better. But in hindsight looking at those losses we could have done much better in our execution of our strategy but we were doing some dumb things.

[GanbaruJapan]

It wasn't just Era though. The whole team outfarmed them, especially in the second game. H4nni, Fly, and N0tail were able to get a lot of their items during the mid game as TDM fell behind.

what are you talkin about bro, did u really watch that match? how was the "whole" team outfarmed TDM? randomly took 2pics from 30mins mark and 40mins mark.

[GanbaruJapan]

Is that something that you guys will look into changing in the future? Or are you comfortable with that method? It was evident (in both games) that the one fully farmed hard carry on Fnatic's side was able to beat both near-fully farmed carries on your side. Do you think that maybe you should follow suit and have you (or whoever is carrying) farm all the stacks and ancients, or do you support your current game plan?

i think TDL and MB probly the only 2 heroes that can actually single-handedly out carry 2 fairly farmed opponents hard carries in late game, plus the whole fntc team support era through the entire game (not like they had any other option tho) really really well. there are lots strats can actually easily counter heavy farm depended heroes like MB/TDL, TDM actually have done that in the past against same Fntc team with Era on MB if my memory is correct, they picked KOF and pushed the **** off em and end up winning b4 mb could get any effectiveness in team fight. DH dota2 grand final mtw vs na`vi was another great example of countering free farmin MB(AM), mtw let their tinker free farmed and start roaming/ganking in early game, and that tinker with really fast BOT+mana ring totally destroyed the Na`vi team, although there is no similar hero as tinker in HON, but i think hon players can still use that for reference, and i actually remember ppls used to use free farm fade to counter mb in the past.

going back to that game where tdm against fntc, i think that para pick was kinda failed imo, i can understand pickin para as a counter to MB and int heroes in general is very practical, but i also think a fully useful para requires a lot more farms than ppls actually realize, if para couldn't get lots kills/assists gold to boost his farm early game as what actually happened to zfreek in that game, he couldn't really do much mid game especially in team fight, once u missed the early game window its very hard for para player to catch up, because you have to give the nature farms to carries and u cant really solo kill anyone even opponent`s support heroes.

[[Imag]Biffo]

I think fnatic was just too good for tdm, and they probably should have dropped D3 sooner in order to get on HoN again.

[Lt_Kilgore]

I honestly think Tralfamadore is a better carry player than Moon is. But Era is the best carry player today, he has proven it a lot of times those last weeks.
Thing is FNTC is like the Spurs, they have no ego problems and work as a team all times, not to mention they commit less mistakes.

Nova is always underleveled and he rarely dies, I don't know how he does that.
Notail is one of the best gankers in the game, considered best player overall last year (am i right?)
Era just plays carry to its finest, H4nni can do it all so well and Fly is the best drafter.

Tralf is one of the best players out there today, more versatile than Era, but not better than him.
Moon is one of the most skilled in the game too, but not better than H4nni.
Bkid has moments of greatness and moments of "throwess" if u know what I mean, can be very inconsistent sometimes.
Sender is an awesome support but still, Nova is better.
And Zfreek is the best jungler in the game, but just doesn't cut it. His Aluna is nice too.

Everything spot on dude. Tralf is a better carry than Moon and pretty underrated, but he makes stupid mistakes too often and gets ganked kind of easily.

[Lt_Kilgore]

what are you talkin about bro, did u really watch that match? how was the "whole" team outfarmed TDM? randomly took 2pics from 30mins mark and 40mins mark.

They're talking about the groupstage game dude

[[umc]moshonkel]

Am i still the only one with the opinion that tdm should have destroyed fnatic in the tremble game? They counterpicked them so hard but still didnt manage it

[Namazun]

Tbh Fnatic just stepped it up a notch after they lost to Orange Esports.. They dominated after that, unbealivable to watch!

[[OwnM]iKyi]

@[2MD2]GanbaruJapan : a hero similar to tinker? , not rly but wouldn't succubus' damage leak spell be a functioning tactic against mb? [ mb i nerfed now anyways , a little]
@[DRD]Namazun : can you please link to a unbelievable to watch game? ^^ , i really don't know which are you talking about , wanna see.
@[umc]moshonkel : since i made this topic i guess i share your surprise.