Petition for Ban Appeal & Players Penalty System Adjustments

[PetriFemboy]

Background of my own experiences:

About a month a go i participated in a game where i went Hammerstorm and suggested that under no circumstances we need more then two carry or heavy farm dependable heroes. Team instantly ignore me choosing RA, Defiler, Sand Wrath, Bloodhunter, and they expected me to ward and support them. Since they show little to no respect to what i just said, i wasn't willing to repay them with positive energy. I chose not to level up my stun for them to realize their mistake. Because i'm not some kind of clown that will do 100% of myself for them to get fat. I can be a noob just as them. Yes i chose to be an ******* after being treated like i was Nothing for them. RA on my lane suicide two times calling me from noobs while he ran in enemies tower knowing well i wasn't willing to kill myself as well, nor was i able to stun them since i already told them i'm going carry like all of them. Surprisingly under the waves of insults i got from them, and despite my proper play without feeding or blocking any team mate i was banned for the reason of "Rejected to participate in the game, and used vulgar language". My question was, can i be banned for not leveling a certain spell? and can i be banned for lowering myself to their level and using vulgar language as a matter of response on their speech? Never the less i left it that way. After all if i meet people like that in games that meant that i needed a break. There was no reason for me to fight the ban appeal.

A week later i received another BAN, this time for two weeks. Now that was a little too much for me, MG's were crossing the line as i couldn't having receive any negative feedback from players i was match made with. "Spam purchasing wards and placing them in the well" that was what i receive as an excuse for my ban. I instantly log on the website and type in replays the match ID i was banned for. And here starts my history. There was no such match under that ID, so i couldn't check it, nor download it, which means i couldn't even see if they were right or wrong. I try making another account and play with it, since i still enjoy the game. But at some point i want to get back to my real account and play the game, purchase items and get along with my friends. I decided to fight the system, so i did a Ban Appeal. What it resulted in was me realizing that for first three days i wasn't even able to open a site in which i could post an appeal. Calling the support resulted in HER (because it was a women) giving me the same links and saying that that's not the way that She can support me with or that the solution is already included in the links She game me. Other words She was clearly not giving a... about me. I still continue to fight with the support for them to finally give me either a way to post an appeal, contact gm, or give me the answer why can't i see the replay. Wasn't given the answer to any of questions above. At that point i also realized that i can't post any topics nor can i contact anyone while using another account. When i was finally able to post a Ban Appeal i said that i don't remember doing anything like what they gave me as an excuse and i demand a deeper explanation. I said that i can point it out any time they want that i didn't do what MG accused me of. Clearly remembering only one situation in game that could be similar to what they banned me for: my team was playing passively and expected for supports to give their life for them to finish off the enemy, i didn't like that idea so as an only support i decided not to go around the map and die randomly, because finally i'll be accuse of feeding. I went on spawn and bought all wards dropping them in the well for any of team mates to take them, since keeping them in the courier could result in wards getting lost perhaps due to courier dying. I mistakenly place one ward instead of dropping it, but that was it, i just waited until my team kicked me from the game. And for that kind of support i was banned. Continuing my story, after i post a Ban Appeal i couldn't find it since my access to the forum was limited. I couldn't access my profile to see my last posts or started threads. Until now i wasn't given any respond from my short fight of justice. So putting it simply any player can be Banned for no reason, and it's a matter of randomness to which You can't fight against.

BY SIGNING THIS PETITION YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING MY IDEAS, BUT SAYING THAT YOU WANT THE PENALTY SYSTEM CHANGED. YOU'RE SAYING 'NO', I DON'T WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE AN ANIMAL. YOU'RE SAYING, WE WANT S2 TO THINK ABOUT IT! AND WE WANT RESULTS, NOT PROMISES. DO NOT IGNORE US.

Conclusion:

As a banned person You can't contact anyone on the forum, You can't see any of the content that forum has beside announcements, You can't see Your own Ban Appeal, You can't access Your own Profile, You can't log in the game, You can't watch replays. But what can You do if You'll make another account? You can play the game, You can watch replays, You can buy things at shop, You can read threads on forum, (i can't remember if You can post private messages to someone please do tell if You know better community). What is most painful is that none of the frustration You are going through as a banned person can go out in a creative energy for You to give some of Your ideas on the forum. Also You can't buy things that are time limited and for that You will always hide a grudge about the injustice done to You.
I'm a fan of HoN and i'll always be supporting S2 since the game is amazing. While i was banned i play DotA 2 but i know that i'll always come back to HoN, because of how many heroes have unique skills and gameplay (DotA 2 has about 4 heroes with passive that gives critical attacks, and that's just silly, yet Urn of Shadows is awesome). What i notice during that time of BAN is how well it works for players being able to report or recommend a player there. When You receive a negative feedback for Text Chat abuse or Trash talking through the Microphone, intentional Feeding as of stat manipulation, or Item abuse, You gain a certain unexisting bar that when filled results in You being assigned to lower priority match making pool. That mostly means that You will play with bad players same as You, You can also achieve it by leaving games to often. When leaving the game You can't be reported, as leaving (i assume) fills the invisible bar the quickest. On the contrary, when You're friendly, forgiving, teaching and good with leadership, You're proud of those community awards more then any stats You'd ever achieve, because it's a social game. That's why such thing like STAT WHO... doesn't exist in DotA 2, or it simply doesn't benefit You being a selfish kid.

BY SIGNING THIS PETITION YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING MY IDEAS, BUT SAYING THAT YOU WANT THE PENALTY SYSTEM CHANGED. YOU'RE SAYING 'NO', I DON'T WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE AN ANIMAL. YOU'RE SAYING, WE WANT S2 TO THINK ABOUT IT! AND WE WANT RESULTS, NOT PROMISES. DO NOT IGNORE US.

Ideas:

Since making new accounts doesn't many anyone happy but it still permits a banned person to play, i think there should be some changes about Reporting and Banning. Also each report costs money and is verified by a GM which should find out if he can support a person that spend it's money to report someone or not, i thought of another way of punishing players.
Developers penalty should be applied only if (needed one appeal):
-Player is breaking the game by using outside programs, abusing glitches, saying that he's a S2 employee, demanding password to other players accounts, spam advertising

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to the forum
-Get access to replays
-Get access to game
-Get access to shop

-No access to voting in polls
-No access to posting
-No access to sending messages
-No access to full hero pool (similar to all newly made accounts)
-No access to advance options in match making (similar to all newly made accounts)
-No access to time limited shop occasions

Community penalty should be applied only if (needed several appeals in certain time span depending on the majority of fault taken):
-Player uses vulgar language over char, trash talks over microphone, griefs (abusing items or skills to humiliate other players from the same team), feeding (manipulates stats by intentionally dying to the enemy team), also the bar should be filled from leaving a match

Community penalty permits the player to:
-Access to all things mentioned above

-No access to higher priority search pool in match making
(perhaps few fewer penalties)
-Reduced coin gain from match making

Those are my ideas, i think that implementing them will result in better and more healthy environment for both players, and developers, also GM will have less stress from fighting with angry support requesting banned players.

BY SIGNING THIS PETITION YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING MY IDEAS, BUT SAYING THAT YOU WANT THE PENALTY SYSTEM CHANGED. YOU'RE SAYING 'NO', I DON'T WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE AN ANIMAL. YOU'RE SAYING, WE WANT S2 TO THINK ABOUT IT! AND WE WANT RESULTS, NOT PROMISES. DO NOT IGNORE US.

Signing the Petition:

This thread will not require any kind of poll. You don't need to support my ideas. By signing this petition You're simply saying that You want to change the way penalty system works in HoN. All You need to do, to sign this petition is to post underneath a test "Sign." or "Signed." or give us Your feedback about this problem. You may also include bellow text in Your signature to encourage other players and community members to do the same. This will only show that You support the community and want to make it more friendly.
Good luck and thank You for Your time.

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Forum ★ Heroes of Newerth ★ General Discussion ★ Petition for Ban Appeal & Players Penalty System Adjustments

[Izual]

As a banned person You can't contact anyone on the forum, You can't see any of the content that forum has beside announcements, You can't see Your own Ban Appeal, You can't access Your own Profile, You can't log in the game, You can't watch replays.

You can create and view as well as respond to your own Ban Appeal. I do not understand where you got the idea that you cannot. You can open HoN but not sign in and download the replay as well as view it to be able to watch the game that was used against you.

[PetriFemboy]

I send Ban Appeals but i couldn't see it anywhere, nor could i find it in profile last created threads or last posts. It was beyond my reach, non existing on any of the sub forums i was permit to look inside. Even now i can't see it existing anywhere.

"You can open HoN but not sign in and download the replay as well as view it to be able to watch the game that was used against you."
That's what i'm talking about, you can't sign in nor download the replay. I could do that if i was able to sign in > watch my stats > recent games > download replay > see for what i was banned. Support can't help me with that so i waited till i'll be able to play the game again.

[[S2]MacroHard]

First of all I would like to thank you for using this forum the way it was intended. Rather than strictly complaining or making accusations you expressed your experience and suggested improvements. This is appreciated.

I read every single word of your post. I would like to address a few things before the discussion may continue:

I chose not to level up my stun for them to realize their mistake.

This indicates that you intentionally played a certain way in order to punish your allies for not doing what you asked. Retributive griefing is not an excuse.

I instantly log on the website and type in replays the match ID i was banned for. And here starts my history. There was no such match under that ID, so i couldn't check it, nor download it, which means i couldn't even see if they were right or wrong.

The website replay lookup is the problem. The replay does exist. You may view it through the in game client.

I decided to fight the system, so i did a Ban Appeal. What it resulted in was me realizing that for first three days i wasn't even able to open a site in which i could post an appeal.

When you log into the website after being suspended it automatically links you to the appeals page, http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/appeal.php

When i was finally able to post a Ban Appeal i said that i don't remember doing anything like what they gave me as an excuse and i demand a deeper explanation. I said that i can point it out any time they want that i didn't do what MG accused me of. Clearly remembering only one situation in game that could be similar to what they banned me for: my team was playing passively and expected for supports to give their life for them to finish off the enemy, i didn't like that idea so as an only support i decided not to go around the map and die randomly, because finally i'll be accuse of feeding. I went on spawn and bought all wards dropping them in the well for any of team mates to take them, since keeping them in the courier could result in wards getting lost perhaps due to courier dying. I mistakenly place one ward instead of dropping it, but that was it, i just waited until my team kicked me from the game. And for that kind of support i was banned.

Now that you know you can watch the replay through the client, please do. You will see that what you just described above is not the case.

Continuing my story, after i post a Ban Appeal i couldn't find it since my access to the forum was limited.

A suspended account can view their appeal at any time. The link is the same as above. Hundreds of players are able to submit, view, and respond to appeals without issue.

Now for addressing your suggestions.

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to the forum

This is intentional. The forums are set up so that if you are logged in while suspended it will automatically direct you to submit and view your appeal. It is an intended part of the punishment to prevent suspended players from posting on the forums. If you wish to view only the forums, you may simply log out and view everything as a guest.

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to game

This is not negotiable. The purpose of a suspension is to suspend.

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to shop

I see no issue with this. I will speak with the appropriate people to see what it would take to make this happen. It may be particularly difficult to set something like this up on the client. Suspended players cannot log in by design, so how can you purchase items without logging in? I'm not saying it can't be done; I'm saying it may be a complicated solution. Please note that you CAN send an email to support@s2games.com and manually request shop purchases while suspended. This is an acceptable bypass.

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to replays

This is another suggestion I have no qualms with. For now, the temporary solution is to simply create a new F2P account and use that account to log into the client and download replays from there.

Once again thank you for your time. I hope I answered your questions sufficiently.
Summary: Of your four suggestions, one is not a possibility and the other three currently have a work-around.

[Kohun]

I see no issue with this. I will speak with the appropriate people to see what it would take to make this happen. It may be particularly difficult to set something like this up on the client. Suspended players cannot log in by design, so how can you purchase items without logging in? I'm not saying it can't be done; I'm saying it may be a complicated solution. Please note that you CAN send an email to support@s2games.com and manually request shop purchases while suspended. This is an acceptable bypass.


This is another suggestion I have no qualms with. For now, the temporary solution is to simply create a new F2P account and use that account to log into the client and download replays from there.

Could you not change the suspension from being unable to access the client to being able to log in but having the play now and public game buttons greyed out without access to the chat?

would solve both problems of being able to buy things from the shop and being able to view replay's easier.

[PetriFemboy]

"I chose not to level up my stun for them to realize their mistake."
This indicates that you intentionally played a certain way in order to punish your allies for not doing what you asked. Retributive griefing is not an excuse.

It wasn't griefing if i didn't do anything wrong. He was killing himself and i assume that i can't be banned for not playing in the way a team expects me to play, isn't that correct? After all there are so many examples of players that deliberately chose not to help others while still knowing that they can. I reported once a player that didn't like me coming on his lane, knowing well that i was asking for help on another lane on which i was gank very often. When i help him in a fight, i was unfortunately in a place where enemy hero was preventing me from running away from his auto attacks. He had a logger's hatchet and told me 'die noob' knowing well that he could save me there. That player didn't receive ban.

As a carry i'm expected to take it easy and farm so i did. Are You telling me that i can report players for choosing not to level certain spells when i'm well aware what kind of way they decided to play? How about NH going codex, without leveling up smoke? If so then i have no problem with being banned for my 'Retributive griefing' as You call it. Just say 'yes' and i'll stop complaining.

"I instantly log on the website and type in replays the match ID i was banned for. And here starts my history. There was no such match under that ID, so i couldn't check it, nor download it, which means i couldn't even see if they were right or wrong."
The website replay lookup is the problem. The replay does exist. You may view it through the in game client.

Now it will not give me much since my topic isn't directed toward that problem, i don't want to ask for losing a ban since i'm not banned now. It's more of a problem of WHEN i was banned I COULDN'T do things like that. I couldn't log in the game so i couldn't view it. That means that i was left with no possible way to review of what i was banned for. And that's the problem. I know i can do it NOW but i want to outline that as a banned person You can't do anything to fight it.

"I decided to fight the system, so i did a Ban Appeal. What it resulted in was me realizing that for first three days i wasn't even able to open a site in which i could post an appeal."
When you log into the website after being suspended it automatically links you to the appeals page,http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/appeal.php

Yes i know. That's the same respond i was given by support. But still over the time of three days after i was banned i could see only (and now i can also see it) a page saying "

You have no active decisions linked to your account." Support could not answer me why.

"Continuing my story, after i post a Ban Appeal i couldn't find it since my access to the forum was limited."

A suspended account can view their appeal at any time. The link is the same as above. Hundreds of players are able to submit, view, and respond to appeals without issue.

Well after i was finally able to actually see the link working and being permit to post my Ban Appeal, the same link didn't toke me to where i could read my post. That's why i was and i am freaked out by how much i'm being washed with hot p... . Left without help to my problem. It's not like i can't find the link but the link simply doesn't work and while trying to find a path around it i was facing the same problem of being unable to find the post nor any GM response on it.

First i thought about mentioning it in my suggestions for example including the topic of ban appeal to public, so that when i'm banned and can't see the forum at least i can view it on another account. But then i thought it's silly that anyone should make another account to be treated like a human being.

"Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to the forum"
This is intentional. The forums are set up so that if you are logged in while suspended it will automatically direct you to submit and view your appeal. It is an intended part of the punishment to prevent suspended players from posting on the forums. If you wish to view only the forums, you may simply log out and view everything as a guest.

In that case it fail, since i couldn't see my ban appeal. Why can't a banned person gain relief in form of providing feedback on the forum while he's banned? I can't understand it. And why is it better for developers and staff for banned people to make another account instead of being treated like a human being and see the forum, his own posts, his ban appeal and participate in forum's life when he's unable to enjoy the game client.

"Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to game"
This is not negotiable. The purpose of a suspension is to suspend.

There is a big flew in this theory. I can show You, it's called "making a new account". So either Ban by IP which i would call a bad idea, or lose all the privalages of a legal account. Which means still getting access to the game but losing the option to chose all heroes, just like normal accounts start with. That way players can still watch their replays using game client. I'm just certain that You guys don't benefit from keeping record and tracking all the fake accounts made by those people that were banned.

"Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to shop"
I see no issue with this. I will speak with the appropriate people to see what it would take to make this happen. It may be particularly difficult to set something like this up on the client. Suspended players cannot log in by design, so how can you purchase items without logging in? I'm not saying it can't be done; I'm saying it may be a complicated solution. Please note that you CAN send an email to support@s2games.com and manually request shop purchases while suspended. This is an acceptable bypass.

Thank You, i didn't know i could do that. But never the less if i was still permit to log in the game, but unable to play games, or as i mention before play it as if i made another account, with limited switching pool of heroes, it would be much easier both for You without keeping record of fake accounts, and for an average HoN player/fan that only wishes to be understood.

AND in addition, if my request will actually change that fact then i would be SUPER grateful for receiving an award for making the community more healthy with less stress (^__^) i would kiss You and love You long time.

Developers penalty permits the player to:
-Get access to replays
This is another suggestion I have no qualms with. For now, the temporary solution is to simply create a new F2P account and use that account to log into the client and download replays from there.

I do hope that both of us consider it a temporary solution which will soon find a worthy replacement.


Seeing all the problems getting a better and more friendly approach to an average user would be really great.
Thank You for Your time and effort in helping me find peace. Respect & Kisses.

[[S2]MacroHard]

In that case it fail, since i couldn't see my ban appeal. Why can't a banned person gain relief in form of providing feedback on the forum while he's banned? I can't understand it.

After you file an appeal, you can view it at any time. You can see the SGM's response to your appeal, and you may also refute that response. There have been cases (although VERY rare) where an SGM rejects an appeal, the player provides a counter-argument, then the SGM agrees and approves the appeal.

When filing an appeal, or reviewing an appeal, make sure you are logged into both the forums AND the main website (the login found in the upper left corner). Enable cookies on your browser and always check the "remember me" boxes. You also must be logged in with the account that was banned. If you log in with a sub-account you will not see the appeal.

[boblehest]

Now that he mentions it, I remember there being problems with appealing bans too. I had to log out of my account to find the ban-appeals subforum, then copy the link, log in, and go directly to that link, because I didn't have access to the forum index, so I couldn't click my way into that subforum. And then, to view my ban appeal thread the next day, I had to recover it from the browser history (because I couldn't find any threads while suspended, nor could I find my ban appeal thread while logged out.)

[PetriFemboy]

I chose not to level up my stun for them to realize their mistake.

This indicates that you intentionally played a certain way in order to punish your allies for not doing what you asked. Retributive griefing is not an excuse.

It wasn't griefing if i didn't do anything wrong. He was killing himself and i assume that i can't be banned for not playing in the way a team expects me to play, isn't that correct? After all there are so many examples of players that deliberately chose not to help others while still knowing that they can. I reported once a player that didn't like me coming on his lane, knowing well that i was asking for help on another lane on which i was gank very often. When i help him in a fight, i was unfortunately in a place where enemy hero was preventing me from running away from his auto attacks. He had a logger's hatchet and told me 'die noob' knowing well that he could save me there. That player didn't receive ban.

As a carry i'm expected to take it easy and farm so i did. Are You telling me that i can report players for choosing not to level certain spells when i'm well aware what kind of way they decided to play? How about NH going codex, without leveling up smoke? If so then i have no problem with being banned for my 'Retributive griefing' as You call it. Just say 'yes' and i'll stop complaining.

I would still be grateful for being answered on this issue because i still don't consider myself being at fault.
Banned for not leveling up a certain spell resulted in me receiving a ban, that's the truth. You told me that it's retributive griefing, i was told before that i was game throwing, but all that really happen was ME NOT LEVELING UP ONE SPELL.

So here is my question: Can i report people for not leveling spells or do i deserve an apology for being banned?

[boblehest]

Don't expect them to admit any mistakes. A year ago I did something S2 staff said was perfectly legal in game (using a hero with a known bug), and got banned for it (As far as I could see, a lot of other players did the same and got banned, and came to the forum to complain.)

They then proceeded to delete the original post (the one saying it was legal), and told me that I was making it up (I guess everyone who read that post were just making it up.)

All I have to say is GJ.

[[LlVE]MothGod]

For a long time I already wanted to express my opinion. I think that the time came. Firstly, I want to said I was also banned lastlyfor 2 weeks. It caused, a "chipper" had harassed me all the time with insults, and when I challenged him, he said, he will report me.

I used the same Words what he used to me, specially in order to not stay banned. And i was banned...After appeal, i heard form game master :"two bad things aren't doing good one". Well, so its now a race, who will report faster and which report GM will read firstly? I REALLY dont understand that.
He made a same mistakes as me. I didn't report him even when he called me from :" noobish piece of ****, mother****, poland ****". But when i called him once from mother****, he called a report at me. And i get my ban. Weird? Yes, it is.
Futher more, according to Beetlepunk And You, Macrohard - BeetlePunk didn't lvl up stun, which make him a offender. Going in that way, if someone will go a dShaman and wont lvl up heal, it's means i can report him ? Secondly, i was first banned because team called me a noob who bought a wrong items
as zpehyr. So i sold items, left game, and after 1 hours i was banned. Reason :" Selling items and items abuse." REALLY? I was called from worst words You can just imagine, i sold a items (which was usless for my team anyway as they said), left game, and i was banned or that ? That
system need really polishing, or it will just go in bad direction.

Nextly, i just wonder what you will suggest meMacroHard to do in that scenario:
All players in team Blame me without reason. Im playing quite good, 6/2 as support player. All the time warding. Each time i die, i ehard im "noob ; tard ; stupid mother****; etc" Game going wrong, my team feeding, all the time vote kicking at me witohut reason, calling out my position.
I want to concede, game is clearly lost. 1 of us wont. And now : When i go afk, iw ill get kicked. But i wont, so i avoid a kick vote. In the other hand, if i will leave base, i will be one-hit killed by foes. So, i cant : leave base, because i will be reported for feeding ; rather i cant stay in base, because i will be
reported for avoiding a kick from a game. Tell em, what should i do in that sytuation? Waiting for answer.

[[S2]MacroHard]

I didn't report him even when he called me from :" noobish piece of ****, mother****, poland ****". But when i called him once from mother****, he called a report at me. And i get my ban. Weird? Yes, it is.

Had you reported him he would have been suspended for those comments. We cannot punish those who are not brought to our attention. It is not a race as to who reports first; all reports are looked at equally without bias.

Futher more, according to Beetlepunk And You, Macrohard - BeetlePunk didn't lvl up stun, which make him a offender. Going in that way, if someone will go a dShaman and wont lvl up heal, it's means i can report him ?

There is more to the story than what the OP posted. I'll leave it at that. In order to protect the user's privacy I only repeated what he had already admitted to: the purpose of not getting stun was to punish his teammates. Further discussion about this specific incident will be deleted and poster given a forum warning/infraction. It is against forum rules to discuss specific RAP results in a public forum.

Secondly, i was first banned because team called me a noob who bought a wrong items
as zpehyr. So i sold items, left game, and after 1 hours i was banned. Reason :" Selling items and items abuse." REALLY? I was called from worst words You can just imagine, i sold a items (which was usless for my team anyway as they said), left game, and i was banned or that ? That
system need really polishing, or it will just go in bad direction.

It is against the rules to sell all of your items in anger prior to disconnecting. Why else would you sell items if not to grief your team? If you are leaving the match then those items serve you no use in the chat lobby for your next game... the ONLY reason to sell all your items and leave is to spite/grief/irritate/annoy your remaining allies.

All players in team Blame me without reason. Im playing quite good, 6/2 as support player. All the time warding. Each time i die, i ehard im "noob ; tard ; stupid mother****; etc" Game going wrong, my team feeding, all the time vote kicking at me witohut reason, calling out my position.
I want to concede, game is clearly lost. 1 of us wont. And now : When i go afk, iw ill get kicked. But i wont, so i avoid a kick vote. In the other hand, if i will leave base, i will be one-hit killed by foes. So, i cant : leave base, because i will be reported for feeding ; rather i cant stay in base, because i will be
reported for avoiding a kick from a game. Tell em, what should i do in that sytuation? Waiting for answer.

I recommend that you continue playing without stressing out about KD ratio. If KD is more important to you than leaves and time wasted, simply disconnect the game. Regardless of which decision you make you should report that player for verbal abuse and calling out your position.

This forum is not the appropriate place to discuss, challenge, or complain about specific results from RAP.

[PetriFemboy]

Don't expect them to admit any mistakes. A year ago I did something S2 staff said was perfectly legal in game (using a hero with a known bug), and got banned for it (As far as I could see, a lot of other players did the same and got banned, and came to the forum to complain.)

They then proceeded to delete the original post (the one saying it was legal), and told me that I was making it up (I guess everyone who read that post were just making it up.)

All I have to say is GJ.

If i could i would give You a t-up.

There is more to the story than what the OP posted. I'll leave it at that. In order to protect the user's privacy I only repeated what he had already admitted to: the purpose of not getting stun was to punish his teammates. Further discussion about this specific incident will be deleted and poster given a forum warning/infraction. It is against forum rules to discuss specific RAP results in a public forum.

Oh no, please go on, i have no secrets. I officially give my priveledge on exposing all the facts about the game. I admit i use vulgare language after they ignored me in lobby, and ignored me in game, beside belittling the fact that i am i human being how much they enjoy showing me i wasn't by a combination of harsh words and kick attempts. I was emotionally touch by their negative energy. If there is something that i would HIDE in this story that could lead to finally answering why was i banned, i give my personal permission to expose it.

I recommend that you continue playing without stressing out about KD ratio. If KD is more important to you than leaves and time wasted, simply disconnect the game. Regardless of which decision you make you should report that player for verbal abuse and calling out your position.

That means that player will be punished for bad team mates. He'll be punish if he'll leave and stay. Even if he'll leave, they will feed using his hero even more and he can't even report that. Just like i said: banning is random in hon, and players are being punished by infractions, and payable reports, only because hon developers can't make a healthy system of reporting that they would follow themselves.

MothGod, just for Your information, in DotA 2 they don't ban. All you can receive is a lower priority pool of match making when You receive enough leaves or reports from players.

This forum is not the appropriate place to discuss, challenge, or complain about specific results from RAP.

I think it's the perfect place. Since when we're talking through private messages, we're getting ignored and given no help.

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All questions have been sufficiently answered. This is now becoming a debate about a specific ticket. Closing.

As always if you wish to appeal an RAP decision please contact an SGM directly.