Armor Reduction

[lVlichael]

Kinda new to MOBA's so wondering how armor reduction in two items work: Shieldbreaker and Harkon's Blade.

How exactly do these items work? Is it: (assuming the item is a lvl 3 Shieldbreaker)

1. With each attack, 6 armor is removed from the armor?
   
   • If so, after 2 attacks, is the target at 12 armor less than their total? (and so on with 3, etc)
   • If the reduction stacks like this, when does the target's armor return back to original?
   
   
2. The target loses 6 armor total, after 1 attack?
   
   • When does the target's armor return back to the original?

Does it work like 1 or 2? Or am I off and it's not like either of them?

Also, can a target have negative armor? (A Pebbles getting hit with any level Shieldbreaker?)
If so, how does that work logically with damage applied?

Also, I'm assuming here that Harkon's Blade has the same effect as a Shieldbreaker. If I'm wrong in this assumption, feel free to correct me and explain what each one does.

One last thing (totally unrelated):
Do the passive bonus damage effects of Andromeda, Arachna and Moon Queen stack when they're on the same team?

[[TEAM]hi_everybody]

Shield breaker will only reduce armor once by the set value so Sb lvl 3 will reduce the unit you attack by 6 this debuff last for 5 seconds extra attack will only reset the timer back to 5 seconds.
Targets can have negative armor which will increase damage done to the target.
Harkon's does work the same kind of way but it reduces magic armor and makes you attacks do magic damage.
See the linked thread for Harkon's interaction with spell shards and magic armor mechanics in general
Spellshards-FAQ-and-its-Mechanics
Also see linked thread for more information on armor in general.
Complete-Guide-to-Armor-Damage-Reduction-and-EHP
and your last question all the aura bonuses do stack when on the same team.

[[S2]ElementUser]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...uction-and-EHP

Answers all your questions in detail about exact armor mechanics - yours are much more general though.

Kinda new to MOBA's so wondering how armor reduction in two items work: Shieldbreaker and Harkon's Blade.

How exactly do these items work? Is it: (assuming the item is a lvl 3 Shieldbreaker)

1. With each attack, 6 armor is removed from the armor? No, this debuff can only be present in 1 instance - if multiple debuff attempts occur with Shieldbreaker, then it will refresh the duration. There is a bug with levels 1/2/3 shieldbreakers interacting and I don't know if that got fixed yet - in a non-buggy behaviourial assumption it should always refresh the duration with the highest level of shieldbreaker applied.
   
   • If so, after 2 attacks, is the target at 12 armor less than their total? (and so on with 3, etc) No
   • If the reduction stacks like this, when does the target's armor return back to original? See above
   
   
2. The target loses 6 armor total, after 1 attack? Depends on the Shieldbreaker level. Levels 1/2/3 reduces armor by 2/4/6, respectively.
   
   • When does the target's armor return back to the original? After the debuff expires. The duration is 5 seconds if not refreshed.

Does it work like 1 or 2? Or am I off and it's not like either of them?

Also, can a target have negative armor? (A Pebbles getting hit with any level Shieldbreaker?) Yes
If so, how does that work logically with damage applied? See the FAQ for the formulas on damage reduction. Alternatively it's in the link I posted at the beginning of the thread.

Also, I'm assuming here that Harkon's Blade has the same effect as a Shieldbreaker. If I'm wrong in this assumption, feel free to correct me and explain what each one does. Yes, except for the amount of armor reduced and the type of armor reduced. Harkon's Blade reduces magic armor.

One last thing (totally unrelated):
Do the passive bonus damage effects of Andromeda, Arachna and Moon Queen stack when they're on the same team? Yes, not multiplicatively though. The +modifiers are summed up and then applied.

So it's 1 + (0.36+0.28+0.28) and not 1.36*1.28*1.28. Just be aware that Arachna's and Moon Queen's auras only work on ranged allied units.

Also, answers are in green.

[lVlichael]

Thanks alot, the guides (especially that armor reduction and EHP) explain so much. So much to absorb.