Include Midwars in RAP system.

[[FLCH]Battlehonk]

I did have a look at uc's midwars mmr mod and it appears to show the correct mmr.

Where can I find this awesome mod?

[[IPGN]XoRt]

Where can I find this awesome mod?

As it is unclear whether this mod should be allowed or not as yet (given midwars mmr was hidden for a reason) I am inclined to not provide details of where to find it. I also discourage anyone who does have it from using it until uc has been notified by S2 staff as to whether or not the mod is allowed.

[[IPGN]XoRt]

After contacting S2 staff about the mod on uc's behalf I've been told that they see no issue with it.

uc uploaded the mod [Here

[Ceriss]

After contacting S2 staff about the mod on uc's behalf I've been told that they see no issue with it.

uc uploaded the mod [Here

midwars is meant to be chillout mode where you can try new builds, new heroes, etc and that is why MMR for midwars is hidden

if you will promote this mod, then people will just go "omfg 1400 retard in my game again, I am not playing with this team" and everyone will just tryhard to win instead of having fun in this mode

[[SBT]Renegateor]

midwars is meant to be chillout mode where you can try new builds, new heroes, etc and that is why MMR for midwars is hidden

But you can't just chillout if you have 2 ppl griefing in your team since you can't report them. Hon HAS a report feature, and even after reading in the thread a bit i have no idea why it's not in midwars.

Just because it's no stats, it can still get you frustrated if you have someone afking in the well and buying 6 hatchets just to run into the enemy team and feed em, so he won't get afk kicked...

It kinda makes me wanna do this myself now, because hey you can't get reported, right?!?!

But then again, as a sensible human beeing i think: hey it's not the new teams fault, there are so many idiots around, right?

But that's just me, and i'm pretty sure the "copycat" rate is pretty high, and the cycle must be broken through legistlative means, meaning implement RAP for midwars, so people actually can have FUN again...

The FUN from playing a game, not by trolling other people...

[Ceriss]

Renegateor: but I was talking about that "show midwars MMR" mod

Yes, there should be report function for midwars because of all these griefers, but there is nothing that could justify this mod that will only promote "hey look its 1400 midwars rating player in my team, he will be useless whole game" behavior and griefing in midwars because of this mod will be even greater then it is now

[[SmZ]Fred_HUN]

There is no need for rap in midwars. It is a fun game mode, even if trolling means the fun. If you can't deal with it, don't play it, it is not the main gametype anyways, you don't get extra silver for immortals, ect ect...

[Adventureboy]

"Midwars is supposed to be fun." That is what everyone is saying. That is why S2 made Midwars.

" It is currently far to easy to grief midwars, and the griefers now know it. The purpose of midwars was to have a fun, low pressure, quick, action packed game, but still under the general ruleset of a S2 implemented matchmaking (Edit: especially given that silver is awarded)."
-creefer

I completely agree. I have stopped playing HoN and WILL NOT play HoN until this issue is resolved. The matches aren't recorded (due to server space or some other reason). That fact alone allows trolls, and those who find it fun to grief others, to antagonize and abuse those who wish to have that "fun, low pressure, quick..." game.
I propose that S2 implement a new reporting system entirely specifically for Midwars. This or start recording matches and implement the RAP for Midwars.

New system: Troll Points

Under this new system players will be able to submit either a screenshot (or several depending on the type of abuse) or S2 will start recording Midwars matches. If a player feels like he/she is being trolled, or someone is causing grief to them under the Rules set by the existing RAP system,

(http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...ORE-POSTING#28)

(http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...rting-Mistakes)

then said player may choose to file a "Troll Report," DURING OR AFTER SAID MATCH. These reports will be reviewed by GM's and SGM's just as RAP reports are. If the party is indeed found guilty of abuse, they will be given a "Troll Point." Only ONE (1) may be given to the guilty party regardless of the number of reports for the match specified. ALL SUB ACCOUNTS AND ANY ACCOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH SAID GUILTY PARTY ARE GIVEN A TROLL POINT, just as bans are given, to eliminate the Free2Play account spam abuse. The Matchmaking System will then take into account how many Troll Points a player's account(s) has(have) acquired and will match them with like "Known Trolls."

If a player tries to abuse the Troll Report System (TRS) they will be given a Troll Point in turn.

There will be no paid 'Reset' of Troll Points. Once acquired they will remain permanently attached to the account(s). To resolve the issue of a Known Troll becoming a more conscientious and kind player, the account will provide the DATE of the last Troll Point acquired. The Matchmaking system will NOT take this date into account. This will also solve the issue of Trolls using 'good behavior' to re-enter the "non-Troll" community.

The biggest issue I foresee with this implementation would be a tremendous amount of work for S2. They would have to revamp the Matchmaking System for Midwars to include a GUI BEFORE matches. This new interface would show how many Troll Points each player has and the date of the last point given and would allow the rest of the players the opportunity to "opt out" of the match.

*****

That is my idea. Feedback would be much appreciated and I will be checking the forums regularly. Also, if an Admin or someone could give me an email for a complaint for abuse I would really appreciate it, seeing as there is no way to properly and professionally report someone I have an issue with during SEVERAL Midwars matches today. I have screen shots, Match ID numbers, and names.

[Adventureboy]

Delete Please. For some reason I cannot delete this post.

[[SmZ]Fred_HUN]

"Midwars is supposed to be fun." That is what everyone is saying. That is why S2 made Midwars.

" It is currently far to easy to grief midwars, and the griefers now know it. The purpose of midwars was to have a fun, low pressure, quick, action packed game, but still under the general ruleset of a S2 implemented matchmaking (Edit: especially given that silver is awarded)."
-creefer

I completely agree. I have stopped playing HoN and WILL NOT play HoN until this issue is resolved. The matches aren't recorded (due to server space or some other reason). That fact alone allows trolls, and those who find it fun to grief others, to antagonize and abuse those who wish to have that "fun, low pressure, quick..." game.
I propose that S2 implement a new reporting system entirely specifically for Midwars. This or start recording matches and implement the RAP for Midwars.

New system: Troll Points

Under this new system players will be able to submit either a screenshot (or several depending on the type of abuse) or S2 will start recording Midwars matches. If a player feels like he/she is being trolled, or someone is causing grief to them under the Rules set by the existing RAP system,

(http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...ORE-POSTING#28)

(http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...rting-Mistakes)

then said player may choose to file a "Troll Report," DURING OR AFTER SAID MATCH. These reports will be reviewed by GM's and SGM's just as RAP reports are. If the party is indeed found guilty of abuse, they will be given a "Troll Point." Only ONE (1) may be given to the guilty party regardless of the number of reports for the match specified. ALL SUB ACCOUNTS AND ANY ACCOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH SAID GUILTY PARTY ARE GIVEN A TROLL POINT, just as bans are given, to eliminate the Free2Play account spam abuse. The Matchmaking System will then take into account how many Troll Points a player's account(s) has(have) acquired and will match them with like "Known Trolls."

If a player tries to abuse the Troll Report System (TRS) they will be given a Troll Point in turn.

There will be no paid 'Reset' of Troll Points. Once acquired they will remain permanently attached to the account(s). To resolve the issue of a Known Troll becoming a more conscientious and kind player, the account will provide the DATE of the last Troll Point acquired. The Matchmaking system will NOT take this date into account. This will also solve the issue of Trolls using 'good behavior' to re-enter the "non-Troll" community.

The biggest issue I foresee with this implementation would be a tremendous amount of work for S2. They would have to revamp the Matchmaking System for Midwars to include a GUI BEFORE matches. This new interface would show how many Troll Points each player has and the date of the last point given and would allow the rest of the players the opportunity to "opt out" of the match.

*****

That is my idea. Feedback would be much appreciated and I will be checking the forums regularly. Also, if an Admin or someone could give me an email for a complaint for abuse I would really appreciate it, seeing as there is no way to properly and professionally report someone I have an issue with during SEVERAL Midwars matches today. I have screen shots, Match ID numbers, and names.

This post belongs to the suggestions. By the way, it is far too easy to abuse. And if you feel disappointed, you don't have to play it.

[Sherwood]

I strongly believe there ought to be a RAP function in Mid Wars. Why? Because it is a fun mode.
It is not fun having someone on your team purposely feeding the enemy team.
It is not fun having someone on the enemy team purposely feeding you.

I don't see why someone with the evil ought to have fun at the expense of 4(9) other players.

The reward for completing the game encourages people to grief in this way. If you win, you gain only 2 more silver than if you lost. So what's stopping one team purposely feeding the enemy so the game ends sooner so they get their silver coins sooner?
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Real game example.
I played a Mid Wars game. We were winning. This Madman got really angry that the 3 other team mates weren't 'helping him' and that this ally kept 'KSing from him'. Yet, this Madman often went off alone, it's stupid to assume your team will be at your beck and call. It's also silly to QQ about KSs if you're winning. His farm was terrible, he should have tried to KS himself because you'know, he can potentially and is a carry.

So he said he was going to 'feck the game up'.
I asked him why? I said that I did help him and never KS intentionally.

He replied that he knew.

So I asked him, why is he ruining MY game?

He didn't reply.

So he fed. Turned the balance completely because it's hard to keep up with a Madman to abuse his 'initiations'. Mid Wars is a game where kills give stupid amounts of gold and exp. We lost. They won.

We left feeling bittered and annoyed that this selfish git lost us a victory out of his spite.
The enemy left feeling they had a victory they didn't earn.

So yes, why is this mode considered Fun when you have gits like that who exist?
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Like with the rules for the primary game modes, there is a distinction between 'trying out unconventional tactics/item builds' and out right griefing. So you hardcore Mid Warsers don't have to worry about people wanting to take your "silly item builds away". You will still be able to build Charged Hammer-Harkon's Blade Rapsodies.

[[SmZ]Fred_HUN]

I strongly believe there ought to be a RAP function in Mid Wars. Why? Because it is a fun mode.
It is not fun having someone on your team purposely feeding the enemy team.
It is not fun having someone on the enemy team purposely feeding you.

I don't see why someone with the evil ought to have fun at the expense of 4(9) other players.

The reward for completing the game encourages people to grief in this way. If you win, you gain only 2 more silver than if you lost. So what's stopping one team purposely feeding the enemy so the game ends sooner so they get their silver coins sooner?
-
Real game example.
I played a Mid Wars game. We were winning. This Madman got really angry that the 3 other team mates weren't 'helping him' and that this ally kept 'KSing from him'. Yet, this Madman often went off alone, it's stupid to assume your team will be at your beck and call. It's also silly to QQ about KSs if you're winning. His farm was terrible, he should have tried to KS himself because you'know, he can potentially and is a carry.

So he said he was going to 'feck the game up'.
I asked him why? I said that I did help him and never KS intentionally.

He replied that he knew.

So I asked him, why is he ruining MY game?

He didn't reply.

So he fed. Turned the balance completely because it's hard to keep up with a Madman to abuse his 'initiations'. Mid Wars is a game where kills give stupid amounts of gold and exp. We lost. They won.

We left feeling bittered and annoyed that this selfish git lost us a victory out of his spite.
The enemy left feeling they had a victory they didn't earn.

So yes, why is this mode considered Fun when you have gits like that who exist?
---
Like with the rules for the primary game modes, there is a distinction between 'trying out unconventional tactics/item builds' and out right griefing. So you hardcore Mid Warsers don't have to worry about people wanting to take your "silly item builds away". You will still be able to build Charged Hammer-Harkon's Blade Rapsodies.

Sorry that you had such griefer. But most of the time you don't have.

[Adventureboy]

Furthermore, it does happen quite often as of late. Midwars IS in fact a stats game. There is a hidden MMR. There is a Leaver %. Either make it completely No Stats or implement RAP.

[Sherwood]

I understand that 100% of Mid Wars games there won't be a 'troll'. That isn't the point. It's like saying before RAP that there won't always be a troll/griefer in rated games.

I would describe the experience to going to an adventure playground where you have fun. But then some prat comes along with a BB gun and starts shooting pellets at everyone. You were having fun in till they were being a douche. But you are not now. If you stay you get griefed. If you leave, you feel bitter that you had to leave somewhere you were having fun because of this one person. Why should this person have so much power?

On a side note, can you explain to me, what's stopping me from griefing my team when I play mid wars?

[[S2]MacroHard]

I deleted about a dozen posts from this thread. Please remember to keep all discussion constructive and cordial. Do not insult or accuse another community member under any circumstances.

(note: "anyone who disagrees with this is a griefer" is a non-constructive accusation)

[creefer]

HoN 3.0

* Can now report players in Midwars

Winning!

[[S2]MacroHard]

The posts in this thread were indeed influential in this decision. Mission accomplished.

Closing.