So.. every time I see an Armadon on the other team at 1500~ MMR Casual or Normal I know my lose the game..
His deals a ridicously amount of damage at early levels and is probably even more tankier than Cthulhuphant at late.
So far the team who had armadon in his team won the game and I played about 500 games in total now (probably 200 with an armadon in it).
He easily dives me at level 3
So how do you counter him? Doesn't matter if I'm playing as ranged or melee, agi, str or int I always end up getting spinebursted on the balls. I played him a few times myself and ends up winning the game.
Predator + Shieldbreaker + Abyssal Skull = gg Armadon.
I play Armadon almost 24/7 on this account.
EDIT: Pebbles also puts an ass whoopin on Arma.
Farmadon have ridicously low amount of mana.
Pick Witch Slayer, drain his mana
stop farmadon farm
stun and disable him nonstop with his own mana
kill him very easily
Stack armor auras. Problem solved!
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mana battery/powersupply early on
hellflower later in the game
He's still vulnerable to spells early on, so focus on picking up some easy armor to help with spines (RotT, greaves, supply) and just harass him as much as you can. If or when you get some stacks of spines on you, just hold back for a few sec and then keep at it again. Most armas, at least on 1600~ games have a tendency to overestimate their own survival skills early on.
As for lategame: Stacking armor sure works well, but do it to a certain extent. There is no reason for you to pick up 500 tank items on a carry for example. Also, as mentioned, hellflower, sheep and cyclone to cc him is very important and extremely efficient. The most important thing however is to never attack him from the rear or sides. ALWAYS attack him from his front.
There are several counters to armadon, the most common ones are "Disables" this allows you to take down armadon quite easy if you attack from the front.
Another thing is picking up specific items or heroes against him, as example a corrupted disciple would rape armadon hard by using conduit if he chases you and your ult lowers his armor.
Another thing to mention is kuldra sheepstick or hellflower, this makes him so vulnerable and you'll be able to get him down quickly.
And last but not least Harkons blade if you have an hero like Puppet master or aluna on ur team, even the dark lady could pick it up at late.
Never attack armadon from the back, it's no use, don't even try chasing an armadon.
Early game you can just beat him down.
Recently played Aluna+Hammerstorm vs Armadon+Midas. As soon as Arma came in for his annoying spine harass we react and burst him down.
At lvl 1 and 2 neither side was going to kill the other but we'd both drain our mana. Then at 3, boom he harasses, we react and he dies. We just ignored Midas, the softer target, with escape.
That's the thing with Armadon you can't ignore him early game, not because he farms well, but because he relies on being ignored to get his spine stacks in and punish you. So just kill him early to piss him off, then grab disables later and ignore him. Or if you're farmed with good pred or soemthing, just kill him. The faster he dies the less AoE physical pain he dishes out.
Last edited by Midonsmyr; 05-15-2012 at 08:14 AM.
Thanks for all your help, tried few games on a Facc. Played against Armadon.. Lost the game, GG. In my eyes he will always be overpowered and just silly
if u have armadon on your lane, buy mana battery with the first gold u get.
200 gold is so cheap for u getting good health back, and more important:
with spamming spines he gives u endless mana for your spells
make sure to have ring of teacher on your lane, the armor is really good, and even more mana to use your spells
he is really strong, but really not undefeatable in lane
mana drainers will help a lot, as early his mana pool is very low, and a no mana armadon is a useless armadon
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deal with it.
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Most people lose to Armadon because they assume they need negative armor (Shieldbreaker) to counter him. As most of the posters above me have said, slows and disables destroy Armadon, not negative armor. His armor is really high to begin with. You do want some plus armor for your team to nerf his spine damage. FWS, Sheep, and HF are the best items against an Arma.
Otherwise, the best counter is just to harass the hell out of him early game. Before lvl 6, Armadon is shockingly squishy and he needs a good amount of farm to become a problem. If you destroy his early game, he'll be a waste of space going into lategame.
Hard counter = Corrupted disciple.
He chases you, you conduit + dmg from passive and slow.
You chase him, ult (reduces his armor) and conduit.
Armadon is the counter for CD. Snot storm on CD means he can't chase Armadon, he gets much easier to focus down due to -armour, other heroes have an easier time running away from CD since he's so slowed and if spine burst will kill him CD can't get away because he's so slowed and has no escape or disable. If you hit Armadon when you've got charges on conduit all you'll do is expose yourself and anyone near Armadon to more spine procs because he's taking more damage to the sides or back - unless your team has disabled him in a good position and you're hitting him from the front (which is not easy against a good Armadon player and also means that it wasn't CD who did the job).
1v1 CD gets beaten by him, in team fights he still can't beat Armadon unless he focuses him down from the front after Armadon is disabled and conduit has charges up (just like any other hero/carry which makes it being CD irrelevant, you might as well say that Madman or Scout counter him if you're gonna argue like that). CD is only ''good'' against Armadon if you've outfarmed him so you can kill him faster than he can directly or indirectly (something I don't think most people are considering) kill you. Armadon doesn't need auto-attack damage to kill you so conduit doesn't affect him much. The slow from your passive lasts too shortly for it to have an effect - thanks to the speed boost from Restless and you actually getting slowed after he snot storms you, it still works way in Armadon's favor.
I've played 243+ matchmaking games as CD, if it's a hero he's good against it's not Armadon. A similar thing is people suggesting CD counters Predator which is just as if not more wrong as CD countering Armadon.
To the topic at hand, Armadon is overpowered. Let him get his farm and chances are you won't stop him. This is usually the problem, especially in non-ban pick games - Armadon either farms or both farms and kills his enemies. It's just like laning against Swiftblade, Predator and so on, you need a setup which is good against them. A setup like Gunblade + Rhapsody doesn't stand a chance against Armadon + anything. Now as I said I think Armadon is overpowered to begin with and especially so in non-organised games and/or non-ban pick games but if you want to counter him then you want to dominate the lane vs him.
I'd get Pestilence + Martyr against him. Get a level of gore before you max flight and use your hatchet to compete for last hits (that's why you want a melee hero against him). Make sure that Martyr is standing in range of spine burst if he uses it. Whenever Martyr gets low for whatever reason, Pesti stuns, Martyr gets in front of Armadon and nukes him. Pesti has a 2,5 second aoe stun on an 8 second cd, a passive stun, a movement speed boost and -armour & anti-juke vision - everything he has is great for taking out Armadon but it's the package of it on one hero that completes it. Martyr is there because he doesn't need pesti's farm, he's great at winning harass wars, he's got a great nuke when Pesti stuns (or against a chasing Armadon who doesn't turn his back when Martyr uses it when he's low) that synergises with Martyr being low on hp and he can save himself or an ally from death by Armadon because Armadon deals escalating damage instead of burst damage.
Last edited by Salem1; 05-16-2012 at 06:39 AM.
Once i pissed an enemy Arma really off with the vj/polly combination. Polly ults and traps and Voodo curses. He cant turn his back to all wards and we can stay in safe distance. I did this tactic just once so i dont know how well it actually works. Enemy team may just counter that easily.
Have psupply and rott+armor boots in your team. It is enough to counter arma, imo he is no where near op he wasnt even op before they slightly nerfed spines.
^Your doing something wrong if you think armadon is uncounterable op hero....
^Then you must be somekind of a god farmer cause early game you dont normally have items like bulwark, fws, hellflower, shivas or hex...