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When i solo queue i get games like these: 88231450, 88229350
When i play tmm with my 4 friends 70% of my games are vs smurfs or vs people of much higher mmr than me. Since they changed the system to have a much higher chance of matching you vs another team we can barely win tmm. Most teams are 1600+ and much more skilled than us.
Roughly one out of 10 games is actually enjoyable. The others are full of smurfs, bad team balancing, afk, rage picks, bad lane compositions, people that don't speak english and so on.
This game just isn't fun anymore...
Work on improving. If you're really struggling, it means you're missing a few things that are needed to win. Go read more guides, watch more replays, get better players to review your replays/mentor you. Being 1500 means you still got basics to cover, so you got stuff to do, but once you get it done, things get much easier.
If you struggle against locks, go to Public Games with your friends and practice and try new things or just to build more chemistry.
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My problem isn't really about that. Im in the E clan etc mentors are a great help and all and i am improving. Its just that my matches aren't balanced. Example. Me and some other guy decide to risk it and tower dive top. 2 tps come in and we get killed. Later i go to defend top, 0 tps, team is derping around in the jungle. 30 mins later no one had purchased a single tp but me. How come the other team has players that buy tps, and instantly port when someone is diving and my team has players that derp around in the jungle chasing one guy instead of defending towers?
How can you get smurfs on the other team if you are verified?
There it is! It just happened again. 2vs1 top as legion vs SS. My lane partner was auto attacking and 2 levels behind everyone, their tempest was ganking with his minions and actually managed to kill my partner. We got a kill top, I ganked mid once then bot once. They ganked the crap out of top, ss had pk in 15 min. Pred dced at level 4 and no one came to gank even though i said twice that ss was free farming. If you just look at the enemy SS and tempest and compare their skills with mine and the other guys on my team you'l notice that they are much better. Fairer matches are selected for god's sake is it REALLY that HARD to find 9 other 1520's to match me with?
Why are you tower diving like that? <.< Who is your mentor(s)? lolOriginally Posted by Danisimo
And if non-TP'ers are an issue, take control of your team and tell them to all have TPs. You can't just expect players to do everything right, so if you want to get things done, reminders are often a must. Team games require communication.
He's probably referring to players buy sub-accounts or just stat reset.
Edit - And if you Q with friends and you find your team getting bulldozered often, tell them they have to improve too. If they suck, be honest.
Edit 2: I'll watch the replay of the game you mentioned in a bit. Doesn't look like the SS or Tempest were that much better than you, at least stats-wise.
Edit 3 -
Notes on Your Match:
-You got starting items for a semi-carry build when laning with Arachna. The initiator/semi-support route would have been the way to go. The common build for that is 2x Wards of Sight, some regen, and stats items. Those two wards would have helped so much, especially knowing they have a Tempest in their jungle and that no one else is warding.
-You continue to take a lot of damage from Tempest's Elementals in-lane. A ward next to the lane would've been so helpful. Not sure why one hasn't been placed after Arachna died.
-12:10: Still no lane ward. Got ganked. +2 kills for the other team.
-Late TP at 14:55. Went across the river alone to get killed anyways.
--8:00 and at various points after: Okay, you swore at an opposing player and continued throughout the match. Not allowed by Clan [E] members. This is your warning. Do it again, and I will personally kick you.
This was a match that could definitely have been won. Not the system's fault. Just lack of some basics lost it (and much of that was shown by you).
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Well i wasn't exactly correct. They aren't exactly smurfs but for example. HoN loves to match me with ppl with 100+ mmr. There are a lot of 1660+ players on lose streaks they drop to like 1610 and mm matches me with them so i end up playing with near 1700's on a lose streak quite often. I also play with 1650+ cuz they queue with their 1400 friends who are usually not that bad and you know 1650+1400 in one team vs all 1500=balanced. I think its my 7th or 8th game lost in a row now. ive droped with about 50 mmr. In most of those games i finished with more kills than deaths and over 200 gpm. I did everything i could in team fights and ganks. In 50% of those games i have huge farm yet we still cant win. Im not perfect but i can't be the cause of all those defeats.
Its just SO hard to play a normal game now yet alone enter a win streak.
EDIT: I took a look at the replay you are right i did sware at an oposing player. He also swore at my friend. I do my best to keep it cool i never insult players for no reason or before they insult me first. I usually do my best to ignore what other players say but some times it rubs me the wrong way. Im sorry im only human.
Last edited by Danisimo; 04-29-2012 at 04:42 PM.
I had the same problem as you some weeks ago. Normally playing around 1500s and suddently I get a streak of horrible teams, ragepicks, bad matchups etc and lost like 10 games in a row. What I did was take a break from the game for 2 weeks though, lol.
Ok. So i see that our pink has a nice kdr and a decent mmr and im like "hey pink get a carry i will babysit you" He gets berzerker and i get empath all looks good. At the start of the game before the creeps spawn berzerker and panda start insulting me for no reason, they say that i picked support because i want to be carried and leave me solo bot as helbourne while they go 3lane top... They flame me all game for picking support even though i was doing alright considering my team mates refuse to play with me i warded as best i could as a solo support etc. yet i was trolled and harassed all game. What do you even do in a situation like this?
Every 1500s player would face similar situations. The system isn't perfect, but you have to adapt if you want to win. If you have to play on a level that matches that of 1600 players to score a W, then get there. It does make sense seeing if you want to get closer to 1600, you'd have to play at a level that matches the players there, yeah?
Here is one thing you have to learn and learn it well - The game isn't about getting more kills than deaths, GPM, and other stats, they all help, but it's simply making decisions and actions that gets your team that victory. I've been in several games where we didn't have those factors on our side, but the other team would make one mistake in the late-game and that would cost them the game.
And for sure, you could do well in some games and your team lets you down, but over time, if you consistently show good skill and judgement, you'll be better off than someone of similar MMR who does not exhibit the same qualities.
And don't bring up the "I'm only human" thing. I'm a robot zombie and you don't see me going about munchin' off the heads of people. Remember, as long as you have that [E] tag, you're representing a lot of people. So be more careful next time. :P
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You bring a fair point for the stats and gpm but it is in fact the only info i can give you about my performance without making you watch the game. Thats the only reason i mentioned it.
Ignore the insults and make the best of your situation. I've solo Q'ed and ended up as a solo lane support plenty because 4-locks don't wanna lane with me. I play it safe and get the creep kills I can. The extra experience you can get is cool too.
Edit - Sorry, went way off topic there. Cleaned up.
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"The first step to improving is to realize that you suck" -NoVa
Maybe try go for early game heroes instead. Try get GMP and level advantage fast and try destroy as much as possible before lategame if thats where you're losing. If its the otherway around, if you play hard carries and other late game heroes you should not agressivly go for alot of last hits, just play more defense, tower-hug if enemies are strong early game and get that core and try turn it around late game instead.
I'm no pro but theres is a way to turn around every single game just try figure out your weakness and defeat it.
i can very well understand you, i am currently 1760, and i try to scrim with my friends (our range of mmr is 1750-1815) but often we are just 4 or 3 and even if we are 5 we get matched up against ppl who have a lot more rating than us, or if we are not 5 we get a random with really low rating and the other team gets a smurf, its not just in the 1500s, you will always encouter ppl that are vastly better than you/have much more mmr than you, sometimes we lose but we often win, cause we see it as a challenge, you just have to sort out the roles of certain ppl, play teams that synergize, and yes, even in this community you should try to be nice to ppl, sometimes, if you're really lucky, you get randoms that will actually play with you as a team and talk to you, even in higher brackets ppl wont tp and just do their thing, if you want to win, try hard, go pubtrain, go full push, or go with a lineup where you can turtle as much as you like(magebane, sil for example), sometimes i am sick and tired of games where you have to do everything on your own, and sometimes the games are really enjoyable and teh bigplays come out, sometimes you will stomp, sometimes you will get stomped, just keep on playing, thats the only way to get better and beat better ppl, you can come back from a lot of grim looking situations
hope you keep on playing and looking to improve yourself
gg gl hf =D
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Im done. 4th day lose streak... Ive won about 3,4 in the last 20 games. We won the last one but then some "big plays" threw it and then we turned it around again and our arma dced... One hour and ten minutes of my life wasted and we won to people that really werent better than us... I have decided to solo queue until i get to the bottom of the mmr or until i carry myself out of this crap. Idk really i don't play perfect because im trying to do stuff that im not good at but i do ok in most games. If everyone else does the same we can win. I honestly don't understand what happens but i have to go mid and pick a ganker/semi carry otherwise 70% of the time the randoms lose it. At least if i lose it i have myself to blame. I know i suck but i can't have suddenly gotten 100 times worse than i was 4 days ago... Most mentors say my mmr should be higher... Idk maybe im just super unlucky.
EDIT: Whatever just delete this thread if possible its pointless.
Ur already a part of Epoch, right?
Why not Q with them?
Ok, I'll just contribute my bits here. I have not check your MMR neither I'm sure how low you've been. In my case, I started playing HoN and I am sure you've been through the thrash talk of being a newbie and stuff. After I drop from the starting 1500 to 1400, I realized how the system works and then I just kept playing without paying much attention to what other people are saying while I was playing terribly (not on purpose, was just trying to play and be useful). I kept dropping in MMR with at worse 1201MMR and a KDR of 0.39. That was how low I've dropped (other people drop even more than that). Then I kept playing... win... lose... win... lose... As I said, 1201 was my worse. I start to play with just 2-3 heroes which I felt I could play well and kept playing with them. Slowly I was able to rise my MMR to like 1225... nothing impressive.
What I must point out is that, I was always afraid to play melee heroes... always trying to keep range. Then one day I decided to give a shot with melee. My choice of hero was... RA! Yeah crazy. I use my silver and bought him then played with him. Obviously hard to play but I start to realize the wonder of being able to initiate, deal good damage and, in some game, even leading the others to victory. Also, I realize that playing other heroes was becoming easier. Mostly because certain thing dont chance from heroes to heroes. For instance, whatever game you'll play, you'll want to last hit creep and deny, right? Small stuff like that are experiences that carries with whatever heroes that you are going to play.
When I was feeling suddenly I was getting better (but still hovering around the 1225MMR), I decided to focus on only one thing, improve my KDR. 0,39KDR leaves people to wonder what kind of crap you are (we all know how most people are judgement about those stats). What I tried to do is to die less and just keep a positive KDR at the end of each game. For me, even if the game is lost, if my KDR for this match is 1:1 or great... its a win for me. That's mostly because at 1200-1300MMR... you can expect to play with player that range from good to terribad and sometime its what dictates win or lost of a game even though you might be playing well.
To cut down to my point, after about 2 weeks of struggle, I manage to get my KDR to 0,75 at the time of writing this post. MMR-wise its not great great but I manage to get back to around 1330MMR. Still not great but its a big victory for me to have gone through the 1300 threshold, for me its that I am getting better and I am climbing my way up rightfully. My aim is to get a KDR of +0.85 and MMR +1400 my the end of this week. Considering the amount of death I accumulated during my noob days, it might be hard to reach that target but its still feasible (all comes down how much time I have free for HoN).
TLR - Take it cool, let your MMR fall. Just keep playing till you get the hang out of it and you feel like you are getting better at what you are doing. Don't pay much attention to MMR if you are currently struggling. Let it fall, you'll eventually get it back up when you start to get better.
Yeah the stat thing sux. People won't take you for anything but trash with under 1. kd sad but true. Mine is currently sitting at 0.90 and when i lose its usually 1:1 or positive. I don't play for kd but i just try not to suicide and feed. I remember that when i started someone told me 2 important tips that i still go by.
1. If you don't die in the first 15 mins you're doing ok.
2. If you have less than 35 ck in 10 mins your farm is trash.
That isn't always true. Like if im playing support and they're ganking our carry il gladly die for him and won't take his farm.
With the mmr though the skill of the players you play with drops too. Most of the people i play against are worse than me i usually own mid but lack of team work or wards usually loose the game for me. I find myself having to buy rune wards if im mid and in general. I can afford a few early game but i can't keep warding with ganker heroes until i have my core items at least and usually even if i do i have to switch to a semi carry build because most of the time scout(the most picked carry in the bracket) is 0/5. Like im not testie i cant farm at 1k gpm and buy carry, support, defensive and so on items, win mid and gank all the other lanes.
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