Yes! I think this is a positive change.
No! I like things how they are.
The only way to fix the concede vote is to remove it from the game. That way people can stop *****ing about getting ganked once at level 3 (or whatever other stupid reason they can find to throw a tantrum) and concentrate on actually trying to play as best they can.
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Considering I am one of the people that have to deal with this type of griefing a fair amount, I am happy about this.
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Also place a much longer cooldown on cc vote. Too much spamming that's ruining the gameplay.
Make votes anonymous
I'd still kind of like to see the time to start a concede vote increased... increase time for 5/5 concede to 18-20 minute range, even keep the 4/5 concede to 22-25 range. If only because, I rarely if ever concede before the 20 minute mark anyways. Not to hold the team hostage, but because almost regardless of kills, I base when I concede on how far pushed we are, which really is a more accurate display of how much you are 'losing' at that point...
Also +1 for anonymous votes.
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Especially in the 1400 to 1600 bracket this has always been an issue, me currently having different account from 1490 to 1630 have faced several teams that basicly destroyed out game while one of our team members (most of the time an hero with a decent amount of burst damage to last hit an hero) that has a positive K score will not concede because he can gain more kills in the same way he has done before, Then again this happened the other way around to.
Anyway the point is, in these brackets there is a very big chance to get stomped and you want to leave the game as soon as possible since it is nowhere near fun anymore, therefor I support this change.
i would change 2 things that i see wrong.
1- 15min 5/5: after playing DOTA2 (no need to rage plz) i've played a lot of games where some player has a terrible starting game, but then he catches up and we got a cool game. I think that 22min 4/5 is great, but i think that 15 5/5 should be completly removed. A few ganks gone wrong cant really tell if you are going to lose a game, but the feeling of failing, and the eternal "you suck cc15" argument is not good if rage makes you cc15.
2- Anonymous votes, plz, no need to point out that guy who's not ccing cause he got a hardcarry and cool farm, but he will get kicked if he doesnt cc.
So, anonymous and no cc15 would make an amazing game experience imo.
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I can't really comment on the casual change as i never play casual, but about the normal mode change i don't know. Yes it's annoying when someone refuses to concede just because he's mad and holds everyone in the game when noone is enjoying it. On the other hand, lots of people give up way too fast, and many times i've seen (or been part of) teams that wanted to concede very early, but one guy didn't pass it and this team ended up winning.
Also, it happens a lot that people fail their lane, don't like their hero or feed bloodlust and then start throwing the game, crying for a 15mins concede. Everyone has been in this situation : you win mid, both lanes lose, get mad and start throwing waiting for a concede. In this case i usually refuse to concede too early, not to get back at them, but just because it's not lost : " Stop crying, get some wards up, group up and try to make something happen. If we fail we can concede, but don't give up before even trying."
And there's also these teams picking 3-4 carries against a gank/push team and trying to concede at 15 mins because they'Re slightly behind....
Anyways, there's no easy solution but i think 22mins for 4/5 is a bit fast, i would be more in favor of something like 25-26 if you really want to bring it down.
No this is a bad change.
All the whiners from casual mode will CC after 7 minutes because they died once or twice, causing players that actually perform well to lose before the game even takes off properly. In addition, these 'whiners' will never learn how to play properly because they'll just concede immediately --> if for example only 3/5 vote to concede, then these 3 players will start whining and griefing from minute 7, ruining the game on an even larger scale than they do now.
The change in normal mode is also very bad. Because I have won numerous times where the game seemed lost around 20 minutes, but in the next 10 minutes one player managed to turn the loss arround and take the upper hand. The people who gave up arround minute 20 now realise that they still have a shot to win and will no longer concede at minute 30. Whereas, with your newly suggested system this won't happen because they can 4/5 concede at minute 22.
By the way, why aren't we allowed to see the poll results?? It's not like some one will manipulate this poll to gain benefit out of it and I'm very interested to see the vote balance.
Yes, lets end games that aren't going your way even earlier so you learn even less from your mistakes.
Love it; Now I can end games even faster once they get boring <3
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If this change were to be implemented it`d be the final straw and I`d uninstall without question. Every game where one team has an advantage the majority of people want to give up. I "hold them hostage" because the game is not even close to over even though we just lost a teamfight where everyone went in one at a time. I will get so mad when every game gets cut off short. How about after 22 minutes the players have a right to leave because I clicked the play button so that I could play the game not concede constantly until I have the opportunity to stomp someone else into a 15/7 minute submission.
making votes anonymous for normal mode sounds like a good idea.