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Thanks for banning me from twitch chat honcast for telling you to fix your stream because it was unwatchable.
yeah **** it. i watched 45 mins game with lag. didn't saw a single teamfight and then even lagged out at the ending. when i reconnected game was suddenly over like wtf? just gonna watch some wehsing dota2 stream instead =.='Originally Posted by DawZ_
I would love if the players could stream their own matches as well, but if It's Gosu wants Honcast and the It's Gosu stream to be the only ones streaming these matches, I respect that. It's their tournament, so they make the rules. Deal with it. We should be happy having tournaments like these after all.
As for the callout, it's just standard Moonmeander-talk. Everyone knows Dawz_ is a great guy, he wouldn't do anything like that.
Delete this poll S2. It doesn't reflect reality and the kids don't have the brains to see the difference.
Put very crudely.. but Q F TWhen will these people realize casting a game like HoN is a waste of time. The realy subtle things that matter are in the minds and eyes of the players. The only thing commentators can do to try and commentate is point out the same obvious ****ing "magmus getting his pk" **** that is a waste of time.
You want to entertain people while watching some HoN? Then pair HoN with some entertainment not the play by play ****.
Where do they all the bad stream get from, this one works more or less (first no sound after ad, then a graphic bug) ...
Im truly sorry about the lag during the honcast finals; trust me, if we could have fixed it we would have.
As to why we don't allow players to stream, we do. Day 1 ANY one is free to cover content. During the best of threes, it's gosu takes priority to ensure our sponsors get the exposure they are expecting from our events. I think its more than fair that we allow players to produce their own streams for more than half of the event.
Without sponsors, these events don't happen. I'm not sure how to make it more clear than that. We haven't allowed players to stream during the semis / finals for several months now and that will not be changing in the near future.
it's so sad when you compare the hon esports scene to, for example, the sc2 one. if the same situation were to occur in sc2, the casters would probably even encourage the viewers to watch the players stream, because everyone tries to help out each other. they would probably say something like "remember, you can watch this match from X's perspective on URL" every few minutes. the greed shown in hon, especially from honcast is really saddening
pretty much this, i wouldnt say breaky and zyori are 100% clueless about the game tho, since zyori himself actually put lots time and effort into casting and doin his own hon analyzing thingy (i dont know about breaky tho).
it doesn't really bother us that the pro's are not allowed to stream. the problem is that honcast stream lagged and bugged out for the last 2 month's now and they are not even attempting to fix it. unwatchable isn't even a suiteable word for the honcast stream quality. we're all pissed of that we cant watch the game. you guys could predict before hand that honcast would faill the cast. so at least give us a alternative stream to watch like moonstream which never lags.
actually, the model we use is very similar to the way TeamLiquid handles their opens. TL allows anyone to provide coverage up until the semi finals, during which time the official Team Liquid streams provide exclusive coverage..it's so sad when you compare the hon esports scene to, for example, the sc2 one. if the same situation were to occur in sc2, the casters would probably even encourage the viewers to watch the players stream, because everyone tries to help out each other. they would probably say something like "remember, you can watch this match from X's perspective on URL" every few minutes. the greed shown in hon, especially from honcast is really saddening
good try though, thanks!
The issue is also bigger than just this tournament, there is constant issues with cast by honcast.
You can say if you are not happy with the stream don't watch it but if the tournaments are not well covered, the hon community will just loose viewers little by little generally to other games like Dota 2 that won't have these issues when dealing with competitive casting.
It's okay as long as your stream isn't laggy.
YO GUYS IM GONNA LET YOU FINISH AND ALL BUT CLAN MILKS AMATAUR 1v1 TOURNAMENT IS BEING CASTED RIGHT NOW @ http://www.twitch.tv/taikahar
yeah this and god thanks honcast never lags xD
gj giving a single example to prove me wrong buddy. too bad it's pretty much the only online tournament with that rule in the scene and it's generally agreed upon among the community that it's not a good rule.
nice try though, better luck next time
this is a bit confusing, so you are basically saying those sponsors get more exposure in an exclusive coverage? and can u please explain to me how does honcast and IG stream "expose" those sponsors actually? by throwin some random shoutouts in the end of games and settin up some ingame add pics? i really failed to see why this couldnt be done by a player streamer (moon).
only 1k ppls are actually watchin the final atm, big exposure...
i tuned in on own3d.tv and watched for a couple of mins. casters are clueless and somehow ingame sound is turned off xD
Seriously, if you're watching a stream to get spoonfed by "educational insight", you could just ask the competitors to record but not stream it live. If you're so bad that you can't figure out why pros play as they do, and if you can't even figure it out after things have happened, you really should start doing some learning by thinking/observing instead of learning by hearing.
If someone arranges an event they should have the full right to decide if they want others to stream or not, that's a pretty simple concept to grasp, is it not? Stop being butthurt about not being able to switch stream for some finals. "Omg no insight" well most people does not need insight, insight is always nice to have, but never really needed. Most players can figure out on their own why/how stuff happens, if not instantly at least after a while. Ultimately you'll learn better this way, if you're watching to learn the game that is. Most just watch to watch how a game turns out.
Of course, a stream that arranges an event and does not allow others to stream would preferably be able to manage a good stream. And about shady brackets and whatever, I don't know beacuse I don't know. And because I don't know, I won't guess and then spread the guess around to try and make it a fact.
Yeah I enjoy watching Moon too, but I'm not gonna go cry three rivers if I have to swap to another stream to watch a competitive game.
If streamers want to educate people, record the game without streaming from your POV when you play the game, every conversation and all that. Put it up as a VoD on your stream afterwards - If it's any good people will watch it. If people watch you just to learn, this will be just as good as seeing it live, if not better because they can pause and hear something again.
Stats are like women in bikinis, they are interesting to look at however they don't show you everything.
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