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Thread: Unbreakable General Bugs
Known bugs:
- Direct HP removal that attempts to take the hero down to less than 1 HP with a DOT on them will prevent Unbreakable from proccing
Indeterminate bugs with Unbreakable:
- Sometimes won't proc with the above conditions not being met.
- Sometimes triggers 2 healing instances when 3+ damage instances lethal damage instances are done within a time period of 1-2 frames
Last edited by ElementUser; 06-21-2012 at 01:55 PM.
yea i watched it too and there's definitely something wrong. nothing else contributes to him healing (bottle, dsham heal, battery). its just the dsham cape on him.
350 health (the amount a level 4 dsham cape heals for) is not quite 910 health (the amount the damp has after "dying" to pyro ult).
Please note that this happens at 21:15 in-game time and NOT 21:15 on the replay counter. At 21:10 on the replay counter, i happen to also ulti dampeer, but kill him, which might have been why this was rejected in the first place.
i saw this happen in one of my games too.
Match ID 86485938 in game time 38:05
deadwood punched witch around the same time dsham caped witch. witch's health dropped to 99. then his health went up to 920. lmao
thank you OP for posting this cuz i totally forgot about this
ok I can confirm this - I was watching at 21:15 replay time and not ingame time.
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Moving to Indeterminate.
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Look for my highlighted text (important information) and grey text (interesting but not required information).
It happened to me right in the start of a regular MMR match and although I might have died anyway this did cost me big time.
Kinesis stuns me with his Q and flux comes closer. Right as the stun ends I cast unbreakable on myself. After an auto attack or two flux uses his pull on me and I die without unbreakable activating.
I watched the replay and it turns out I did in fact have the unbreakable buff on myself for at least 0.8 seconds. As far as I know (and the tooltip confirms this) there is no sort of 'activation time' except the cast time and air-travel time. So it should have activated. It was actually kinesis that killed me so maybe there was some flunky business going on with attacks landing on the same frame.
Match ID is Match 92616871. At about 0:45 game time it happened. Replay time of action is 3:20 I think.
I took 2 screenshots showing my buff.
Here you can clearly see unbreakable on me
Here I die, there is no animation for unbreakable activating and I get no healing. You can see some sort of feint greenish color but on further inspection this turned out to be kinesis' auto attack that changed color.
#8
There doesn't seem to be anything on the known list of bugs that causes this, also getting Unbreakable as a first skill is bad. Healing Wave all the way!
Last edited by ElementUser; 06-15-2012 at 08:49 PM.
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Look for my highlighted text (important information) and grey text (interesting but not required information).
So that means it's an unknown bug?
And I leveld unbreakable cause my lanepartner DC'd and I was expecting this gank.
I had same problem in match 92681756
Ill find exact time later, its late and I need sleep
You did get healed, you just had a bit of bad luck, two archers triggered your unbreakable, and magmus + FA was enough to finish off your 125 hp heal with their auto-attacks (you had 43 hp the frame unbreakable healed due to FA hitting you that same frame, and then magmus finished you off.)Originally Posted by Im_with_noob
As for OP, the heal never triggered.
Kinesis attack projectile and Flux's W hits dsham in the same frame. None of the two separately would've been enough to trigger unbreakable.
Interesting parts of the log if anyone doesn't want to find it themselves:
He took ~656 damage which is way above his own health, but that's because he was attacked earlier and ate a tree (his health + tree + a minute or so of regen and it adds up).
I have replicated this bug once and encountered another in the progress, will upload practice replays once I'm done testing.
EDIT:
DSham's unbreakable will not trigger from auto-attacks when he has the pull "state" from flux on him. Both ultimate and W can
Exact reproduction steps:
Hit the unbreakable'd target while he's being pulled by flux (both W and ultimate works). I have thus far only been able to reproduce this with auto-attacks, spells seem to still trigger it.
I have also only been able to replicate this with rank 1 unbreakable.
EDIT2:
And the other bug, that may or may not be related, but does quite the opposite: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...th-unbreakable
Last edited by Inomares; 06-16-2012 at 08:42 PM.
Brief Description:
Flux's pull, if cast 2 frames or so after an auto-attack hits the unbreakable target (and damages it enough that it triggers unbreakable), will not only trigger the unbreakable (as intended), but actually heal the unbreakable'd target.
Reproduction steps:
You might want to do a set host_timescale 0.01 to time this properly...
Get a dsham down to enough hp that an auto-attack and a flux W would kill him, but not separately.
Throw an auto-attack at dsham
Time flux's W so that it hits JUST after the auto-attack
If you were quick enough, dsham should now have more hp than his unbreakable heals, approximately the same amount the auto-attack would've dealt to him.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6918390/Unbr...2_38.honreplay
Note: Could only replicate this with rank 1 unbreakable.
Interesting, since the bug I posted 2 days ago was actually unbreakable not activating at all :x
Conclusion: Flux's pull is ****ed up.
edit: Ah I see you also posted in my thread. Guess we are on to something here.
#14
That replay only shows you as Flux with 2 blue blobs - it's not that much help.
But this does bring up a weird discrepancy, it's completely related to Pyro ult's "double heal" case currently in Indeterminate. I just replicated DSham healing more HP than intended if you use another high damage instance that can kill DSham 1-2 frames after Unbreakable procs. Oh and it took a ton of tries to get it to do so, so it's not like the exact cause/steps would help much either.
Last edited by ElementUser; 06-17-2012 at 06:05 PM.
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Look for my highlighted text (important information) and grey text (interesting but not required information).
Had this occur in one of my games as well (Without a flux involved though)
Match ID: 92669637
Game time: 19:15 (28:15 on the Replay Control)
Demented Shaman throws unbreakable onto Hag while shes being ultied by tempest, however she dies without the unbreakable not activating
#16
Merged here.
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Look for my highlighted text (important information) and grey text (interesting but not required information).
Match ID #93223593.
I cast unbreakable probably 20 times, and not a single time did the after death revival work. For simple auto attacks, for aoe damage or DoT damage spells. Kind of annoying tbh. I didnt post this under the indeterminate, since that thread was talking about it healing wrong, and only for DoT. This time, it NEVER procced the revive on death.
#18
The Indeterminate thread is now a compilation of all general Unbreakable bugs since I deemed there to be too many to keep in separate threads.
Also, merged
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Look for my highlighted text (important information) and grey text (interesting but not required information).
Well, you exaggerated a little bit, you didn't even cast it more than probably ten times, and it worked every time except for once:
13:54 replay timer.
I have in practice mode several times replicated unbreakable not proccing (I believe it is merged above somewhere), an auto attack followed within a couple of frames by a dislocate such as Flux's Ulti or Flux's W... what happens here is the same thing, you get an auto attack on you and a split second thereafter you get hit by (and dislocated by) gauntlet's Q, which also kills you without proccing the unbreakable.
Just a little note: two is sufficient, only one has to be lethal.
At least if you're Flux.
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