This is awesome and saves me time without having to go through the giant wall texts. Thank you !
You know what would be awesome? A very aggressive rivalry between Kraken and Cthulhuphant. I mean, think about it. Both of them are gigantic, imposing, tough-as-nails brutes who were both created in the exact same place: The depths of the ocean.
Cthulhuphant claims to be ancient god, reborn through a behemoths carcass to bring the entirety of Newerth to its knees through the heavy chains of insanity, despair, and terror. The sky will crack with his call, the birds, beasts, and men of the earth will collapse from his footsteps, and the very sea will boil from his rage. All will be enslaved and driven to insanity, for he is the old one and none shall escape him. The whole of newerth shall be his sacrificial alter and they shall kneel on the bloodcovered stones, broken from despair as his tusks rip their flesh and crush their bones. He is eternal. He is endless. He is the undying king.
Kraken is a ravenous beast who has pilfered, plagued, and devastated the seas of ships and sailors alike to sate it's unending hunger and to fill its ever gaping maw. He has ravaged the oceans for eons, ruling his domain with brine and anchor, and the rage of the ocean itself. So for this...rotting corpse...to emerge from his ocean and claim ownership over his domain is a call for blood in and of itself. The Kraken wishes to drown Newerth in an endless ocean, sinking the earth until not even the mountains will break it's pristine surface. Cthulhuphant can have his alter...as long as he enjoys sacrificing fish. None shall usurp Kraken as lord of the deeps, for none shall survive it's depths.
Basically, what I'm getting as is Kraken and Cthulhuphant being at each others throats, because Kraken refuses to bow to this...aberration...due to his power and pride, and Cthulhuphant refuses to have a lowly fish defy his call and destroy his throne (I.E. The Land).
I mean really, who wouldn't want to see Kraken and Cthulhuphant in an open plain, surrounded by the corpses of the fallen (from a fresh skirmish/ambush/battle no doubt), staring each other down. In an instant, they charge at eachother, backed by dark power, and backed by the rage of the ocean itself. As they collide, the very plain buckles from their combined weight and strength. What was once flat earth is now ravines, chasms, and mountains and standing in the middle of the cataclysm are the two titans trading blows, each refusing to give ground to its rival. Each blow, strike, block, grapple, and counter sends shockwaves through the ground, causing earthquakes and tsunamis the world over. From their battle one shall fall and when his shattered body collapses, the victor shall regain their birthright and destiny.
Last edited by DreadLocks; 04-12-2012 at 02:50 AM.
Updated the main post with the Hellbourne Strength heroes.
Updated the main post with some Miscellaneous Lore Tidbits.
I'm gonna begin fishing out the various Places and Locations next, and then grouping each Hero by their origin.
Nomad, Sand Wraith and Pharaoh are from the Great Waste
Witch Slayers and Martyrs come from the holy city of Arasunia
Anyone can write such a story between the two, but it would take a lot of effort to make things canonical.
Unlike League of Legends which have canonical 'scrolls' of lore (Journal of Justice), there isn't much we can "Add" to the story yet unless there would be actual support for the Newerth Lore. In other words, unless an S2 representative would also partake in discussions and as well give an effort to make canonical Newerth lore, "additional" or "new" stuff that is written by people that is not based on information that is already given would not exactly hold high relevance to the lore.
Anyhow, regardless of that, a battle between the two giants of the Hellbourne is actually NOT UNLIKELY and is quite possible if you were to think about things. The Hellbourne is rowdy and undisciplined, if there is already infighting within the Legion, what more with the Hellbourne.
There are a bunch of facts to consider as well that would be in the favor of an unfriendly relation between the two giants:
1. The Kraken is quite territorial, be it based on Newerthian lore or mythological lore.
2. The Cthulhuphant was once a Behemoth that died and was reborn in the depths of the sea.
3. The Cthulhuphant has is an entity empowered by dark and evil forces.
4. The Kraken simply enjoys destruction and exhibiting his strength over all.
Last edited by kerespup; 04-12-2012 at 03:34 AM.
Good job on collecting stuff.
I'll try to help out with some stuff if i'll have time, but i'm pretty busy so don't put too much hope into that
First of all, let me begin by saying, excellent work! It seems you have been able to compile a rather large amount of information already. I have some inquiries however.. Hopefully you can answer them.
1) Tier / power scaling lists.. Obviously for gameplay reasons all heroes are made equal (more or less...) but lore wise how do these heroes relate to eachother in terms of power levels. I think it would be a good idea to compile a (simpler) tier list to illustrate the (lore) power levels(This would also be superuseful for HoN RPs if someone wants to start one), for example it could look something like this..
God Tier (Literally)
Keeper of the Forrest(?)
2) Another good addition would be a comprehensive list of organizations and active as well as former members of them. For example "the scouts", "The Sacred Order" from which the pyromancers come from and corrupted disciple was a former member, and so on.
Last edited by Spacey; 04-12-2012 at 07:48 AM.
Honestly, LoL's lore is much better than HoN's.
It's abit different from anything else I know. I'm not familular with DotA lore, but I imagine it's similar to HoN.
Good guys vs Bad guys, mystical world etc. etc. But the lore writers aren't quite in the same league as the Films we know and love and even some games. I won't mention my personal favourites *cough lotr cough* :-)
|HoN Player, Sig maker - taking requests|
|waiting for GuildWars|
Well Riot tries to develop it somewhat with their journal of justice or whatever its called while S2 i doubt that even has anyone in their office that is responsible for "lore", imo whoever designed hero writes few sentences for about his hero and thats about it.Honestly, LoL's lore is much better than HoN's.
@OP: Thanks for this thread, I was thinking about making a lore thread of my own but I doubted there would be enough interest in the community.
This thread is much needed for lore buffs like me. It's kinda sad that S2 doesn't care about their lore very much. Just look at Geomancers lore and tell
me the exact same text doesn't fit for any generic Hellbourne unit. Or MoA's famous "RALLY TO ME SOLDIERS".
I played LoL and didn't like it very much but you have to give them credit for their lore department. S2 really needs to hire someone to write their lore.
I must admit, when I saw the message subject I thought, "Uh-oh, what did I screw up?" - [S2]Woodshed (in response to my latest p.m.)
Gonna update the main post soon, but before that I just wanna put up a Hero Lore Comparison between each game:
League of Legends - Fiore
DotA 2 - Anti-MageAs the youngest child of the noble House Laurent, Fiora always considered herself destined for greatness. The Laurents had dominated the dueling culture of Demacia's aristocracy for centuries, and Fiora's father was regarded as one of the finest swordsmen the nation had ever seen. Inspired by his tales of glory, Fiora began training as soon as she could wield a blade and quickly showed greater talent than any of her siblings. As she grew older, her self-confidence and rigid discipline only widened the gulf of expertise between Fiora and her peers. Her fellow duelists perceived her confidence as arrogance, but none could defeat her in combat, and each new victory only heightened her lofty self-esteem. Even so, Fiora never allowed herself to become complacent in her training, and she drove herself ever harder to become a worthy successor to her father's legacy.
Her devotion turned out to be misplaced. On the eve of an arranged duel, Fiora's father was caught slipping a slow paralysis poison into his opponent's drink. Following the incident, many of his past opponents came forward with their own accusations: envenomed weapons, bribery, blackmail, and more. In an instant, he had destroyed his family's honorable reputation. Fiora was outraged. Not only had her hero betrayed her ideals, but also Demacia's dueling elite now doubted her own ability. She desperately wanted to wipe the stain from her family's history but, even more, she wanted the world to acknowledge her mastery. She found her solution in the one arena where she could fight the world's strongest warriors without being accused of dishonesty: the League of Legends.
HoN - MagebaneThe monks of Turstarkuri watched the rugged valleys below their mountain monastery as wave after wave of invaders swept through the lower kingdoms. Ascetic and pragmatic, in their remote monastic eyrie they remained aloof from mundane strife, wrapped in meditation that knew no gods or elements of magic. Then came the Legion of the Dead God, crusaders with a sinister mandate to replace all local worship with their Unliving Lord's poisonous nihilosophy. From a landscape that had known nothing but blood and battle for a thousand years, they tore the souls and bones of countless fallen legions and pitched them against Turstarkuri. The monastery stood scarcely a fortnight against the assault, and the few monks who bothered to surface from their meditations believed the invaders were but demonic visions sent to distract them from meditation. They died where they sat on their silken cushions. Only one youth survived--a pilgrim who had come as an acolyte, seeking wisdom, but had yet to be admitted to the monastery. He watched in horror as the monks to whom he had served tea and nettles were first slaughtered, then raised to join the ranks of the Dead God's priesthood. With nothing but a few of Turstarkuri's prized dogmatic scrolls, he crept away to the comparative safety of other lands, swearing to obliterate not only the Dead God's magic users--but to put an end to magic altogether.
Really huge difference imo.A keeper of lost lore and a priest to forgotten gods, Magebane invokes unholy rituals to drain the energy of his enemies and turn it back against them. In less desperate times, heretics such as Magebane would have been burned at the stake, but this is not the first unexpected clemency brought about by the war against the Hellbourne
I would consider Monkey King to be god-tier since his immortality allowed him to challenge "heaven itself".
Quite reasonable, although he's somewhat limited considering the circlet suppresses his power.I would consider Monkey King to be god-tier since his immortality allowed him to challenge "heaven itself".
No, Magebane is one person, his real name is Javaras. Will probably have to list down all the given real names too.so is one person or a title like ?
UPDATED The Main Post with A list of places and the heroes that originated from each.
Last edited by Spacey; 04-13-2012 at 01:48 AM.
Looking over on the list of places and heroes originating from them, I noticed some possible match-ups.
The Rulian Marshes that Flint Beastwood came from may also be the same marsh that Pollywog Priest's tribe resides in.
The Seradati Plains that Rampage came from may also be the savanna where the Great Race is held, and where Blitz comes from.
I want to point out that savage lore isn't consistent. I prefer to look at it from the point of view of some one in the future of their time line looking at different legends that all have equal validity but disagree in some areas. (which gives wonderful wiggle room for fan interpretation)
Last edited by Drasha; 04-13-2012 at 02:55 AM.
Forum Moderators are not S2 Games employees. My posts in no way represent the view of S2 Games or any of its staff.
Please use the report post function to have me review a post that you believe is breaking the Forum Rules.
Check the Sticky Threads for additional information on this sub-forum and the Announcement Threads for more information about Heroes of Newerth as a whole!