Persons IQ and HoN Ranking.

[[DARP]ToxicMonkey]

Genius can live in the dirt. And who was that poster that said intelligence came in many different forms? What's IQ measure? Your ability to take a test? Well poop, I sure wish real life was like a standardized test.

Tests measure your ability to think logically and your reasoning in various forms of ways.
Math, logic, spatial ability, etc.

It has a direct impact on your life as it affects the way you are able to solve complicated tasks.
But as you say, some forms of intelligence can't be measured and a dumb person can still make a good living through different means. Perhaps the person in question is good looking. Or street-smart. Or very dedicated. Etc.

IQ only measures your ability to solve, or your understanding of, problems.

It seems to me that all of you failed in this thread.

IQ is measured into a lot of "Boxes" of different IQ and therefore IQ /= MMR in a direct way as you donno which IQ is present in HoN. You may have an high IQ at logic but a very bad IQ at prediction and therefore fail because you could not foresee the ambush on you.

Hope all of you learned a bit of what other learned at 4th grade 10 years ago

IQ is measured as your sum amount of understanding of various essential forms of intelligence.

We can predict what types of intelligence are involved in games like HoN. Prediction is learned through experience mainly, and perhaps spatial knowledge and logic. If you have experience, knowledge and logic you can predict that if you do a particular action, they will probably react to that in a certain way. You can deduce what the other team are doing at the moment based on their recent movements and the current situation of the game, as well as decide on proper counter-measures.

Reaction timings (quickness), experience and such are things everyone can achieve. How you use it is another matter, which is affected by intelligence. Some of these things you don't just learn through thousands of games, you also need a strategic mindset.

[[WhiP]sefan]

IQ = how good and fast you can solve problems =/= HoN

HoN got to much bugs and to bad pathing. If HoN had better pathing and less bugs then HoN = IQ.

[[iAPM]DaPPa]

My mate is pretty intelligent but he's not very good at hon.

[Dajz]

IQ = how good and fast you can solve problems =/= HoN

HoN got to much bugs and to bad pathing. If HoN had better pathing and less bugs then HoN = IQ.

Bad pathing is just an excuse people use. The only bad pathing in HoN is when you get blocked by f.e. Mummy Wall or Behemoth Fissure, but those can be easily avoided if you know how to click.

I never have problems with pathing other than that.

[Dajz]

But IQ and HoN are hardly related, trust me. Of course if you are mentally retarded or something it might apply, but there are a lot of high rated players (1800+) who aren't the brighest ones.

[[Rox]Jecht]

IQ helps with almost everything, including HoN. But people with 2000 mmr are just worthless kids. Intelligent people won't waste that much time playing HoN, there plenty of more interesting games for them. Don't be retarded is all it takes to be good at HoN.

[[DARP]ToxicMonkey]

IQ helps with almost everything, including HoN. But people with 2000 mmr are just worthless kids. Intelligent people won't waste that much time playing HoN, there plenty of more interesting games for them. Don't be retarded is all it takes to be good at HoN.

Intelligence does not, as you suggest, affect what type of game you play. And even if it did, nothing indicates that everyone at 2000 MMR are "worthless kids".
Also, I don't even think anyone is at 2000 MMR any more, since the changes to MMR...

You are making baseless assumptions. Please stop.

[AtonE]

Then again, you might argue people with a higher IQ find they have better things to do than piss away all of their time listening to kids screaming and shouting at them like hypocrites. The whole thread topic smacks of the arrogance and wild lack of perspective that exists within the HoN community. To even consider you have a higher MMR because you have a higher IQ is to utterly disregard all other measures by which intelligence is measured. My MMR is crap; I don't play as much now and when I do I don't really put any thought or feeling into it because of all of the raging. My IQ however, is high.

[[DARP]ToxicMonkey]

Then again, you might argue people with a higher IQ find they have better things to do than piss away all of their time listening to kids screaming and shouting at them like hypocrites. The whole thread topic smacks of the arrogance and wild lack of perspective that exists within the HoN community. To even consider you have a higher MMR because you have a higher IQ is to utterly disregard all other measures by which intelligence is measured. My MMR is crap; I don't play as much now and when I do I don't really put any thought or feeling into it because of all of the raging. My IQ however, is high.

I don't think anyone is saying that you are automatically dumber if you have a lower MMR.
And I don't think anyone is saying that there is a direct correlation between a high IQ and a high MMR.

All I am saying (among others) is that a higher IQ enables an easier understanding of certain elements of the game, meaning a higher IQ = easier to learn the game.
You can however make up for a lower IQ by playing more.
Or maybe you are bad at math and certain intelligent tasks (which would lower your average IQ-score), but you are better at doing certain things that are favorable in HoN (such as logic, spatial awareness, reaction timing, psychology, etc).

Also, a higher IQ does not necessarily mean you don't do stupid things, such as squander your time by playing a game like HoN.

[AtonE]

Ok admittedly there is no correlation between higher IQ and not playing HoN. That was quite a hypocritical view for me to take because I have spent a long time playing it. I just think the two aren't really related because having the actual will to play the game helps more than your intellectual capacity for it; it's the person's investment mentally that'll have the bigger result. I play with friends and aim to have a laugh now, I've probably only played about 30 of my 800+ MM games on my own.

[[DARP]ToxicMonkey]

Of course your commitment and will have an impact on your skill in a certain game.
In this hypothetical argument however, we must assume that people at a higher MMR have a will to perform well. Otherwise they wouldn't be there. If they were trolling every other game with +, they would never reach any higher MMR.

It should be obvious that a higher intelligence enables you to reach higher achievements, such as having higher MMR.
Skill takes intelligence, experience, knowledge, reaction time, perception, etc. In different proportions depending on many factors, such as which heroes you typically play.

That said, I don't think there's a big inherent difference in IQ between for example 1700's and 1800's or 1900's and so on. It depends on many factors. It's just that intelligence enables you to perform better at various tasks. It doesn't necessarily mean a direct correlation.
(Yes I am repeating myself now Time to quit.)

[[DSTP]ProjectedSou]

it's simply experience. and what have you done more.

Your arguement would then also state that driving the quickest route between 2 places means higher IQ, because it takes "planning", "Quick thinking", "Strategy", to get the best route for traffic, back roads, and potential accidents.when it actually just means you drove alot and that thought pattern became second nature.

Things like PHDs, own algorithms, and concepts is IQ

This game is merely how much have you encounted this hero against you. What skills can they use, what hero and I. Unlock saved ideas x in brain.
it's simple to play this game when you have experience because you just 'learn' how to play against each hero, or player play-style. They can teach monkeys these days pretty intricate things, by repeating and rewarding...you saying they have a higher IQ, because they can do tasks faster than the monkey that came later?

[Beuneri]

This game is merely how much have you encounted this hero against you. What skills can they use, what hero and I. Unlock saved ideas x in brain.
it's simple to play this game when you have experience because you just 'learn' how to play against each hero, or player play-style. They can teach monkeys these days pretty intricate things, by repeating and rewarding...you saying they have a higher IQ, because they can do tasks faster than the monkey that came later?

There are people with thousands of games played, stuck to 1500-1600 rating, and people with hundreds of games played, up at 1700-1800. If everyone was equal and only repetition would mean progress, how are some people consistently better with lesser amount of played games, than others?

It's like studying, there are people who learn stuff fast (the ones with high IQ), and then there are people who learn stuff slow (the ones with not so high IQ).

[sawell]

It's a combination of time spent playing + natural reflexes + hand eye coordination + stress management + problem solving.

Most of which are nothing to do with IQ ignoring the obvious one which is problem solving.

I have a top 1.5% IQ, but I suck at HoN.

[[DSTP]ProjectedSou]

It's a combination of time spent playing + natural reflexes + hand eye coordination + stress management + problem solving.

Most of which are nothing to do with IQ ignoring the obvious one which is problem solving.

I have a top 1.5% IQ, but I suck at HoN.

I'm in the same boat...

[Poroksi]

I'm in the same boat...

Sure you are xD

[Grizfang]

I'm in the same boat...

Apperently practically everyone who plays HoN has a high IQ, what a coincedence.

[[DARP]ToxicMonkey]

it's simply experience. and what have you done more.

Your arguement would then also state that driving the quickest route between 2 places means higher IQ, because it takes "planning", "Quick thinking", "Strategy", to get the best route for traffic, back roads, and potential accidents.when it actually just means you drove alot and that thought pattern became second nature.

No. That is an example of what anyone can do. A smart person will consistently make the better choice of route to take, however. But that's irrelevant, that's really basic problem solving. Doesn't (generally) require much in the ways of IQ.

Things like PHDs, own algorithms, and concepts is IQ

No. Intelligence effects the way you are able to get a PHD. Your ability to get it. Your ability to make own algorithms or concepts. They aren't IQ...

This game is merely how much have you encounted this hero against you. What skills can they use, what hero and I. Unlock saved ideas x in brain.
it's simple to play this game when you have experience because you just 'learn' how to play against each hero, or player play-style. They can teach monkeys these days pretty intricate things, by repeating and rewarding...you saying they have a higher IQ, because they can do tasks faster than the monkey that came later?

But this is the thing, intelligence AFFECTS all of which you are mentioning.

Experience accumulates much faster the smarter you are.

After acquiring all the experience you are talking about, you still can't automatically assume that for example Build X or Setup X beats Build Y or Setup Y. You also need to play it out and adapt. This requires experience, but also intelligence. You need to be able to make decisions on different things such as:
Positioning
Item choices (affected by opponent item choices/heroes. Making the optimal choice isn't always easy.)
Coordination (Strategy)
When to farm/when not to

etc.
You can't get these aspects of HoN through only experience. It also, in the end, requires intelligence. It is one of the things that separate players from each other.

You then mention monkeys for some reason... Monkey intelligence is very different from human intelligence. For example, they are very gifted at short-term memory, while we are not. They can remember rather complicated patterns from just seeing them for a second or two, while we struggle at performing the same tasks. We have other gifts that are more important for our evolutionary traits.
A monkey would not be able to play HoN no matter how much they practiced

Anyway, experience correlates to intelligence. A dumb person will not get/use the same amount of experience as a smart person will. There's a maximum amount a monkey can learn, for example. The maximum amount for a human being is much higher. If we're to use your example.

[NakieoN]

167 IQ but I don't consider myself a genius (IIRC when I took it, 160+ was Genius level). My definition of IQ is that it allows you to "pick up" theories and apply them faster than other people with a lower IQ. I can say that this is true when it comes to logic, it takes me one single example to understand how to do a problem (math classes are so boring as they always show like 3-5 examples per theory). It is also very easy for me to learn a foreign language or a programming language, but that may be because I've grown up with knowledge of 2/3 languages (2 of the languages are very similar so it's not a full 3).

I was 1750 mmr pre-compression and now I'm 1700+ post-compression (these numbers are on my 2nd account, this account is exclusively for forum posting/reading) and do not see myself getting to the 1800 bracket anytime soon. I will say, however, that it was easy for me to learn HoN and get good at it (dipped under 1500 in my first 5 games ever in HoN, never been back under since) - but mastering HoN is a different thing. Everything, regardless of intelligence, takes time to master. I can't say I've mastered any programming language because I simply do not give myself enough time to master a programming language. I've once mastered TF2 play (vanilla TF2, not the spontaneous TF2 we have today with infinite [unbalanced] guns to learn) but that was after 500 hours of playing with the same medic friend as a soldier. It takes repetition.

If you watch the livestreams of competitive players you will see that they wake up in the morning and play HoN all the way until they go to bed. I've seen both AngryTestie and Moonmeander do this on some level. I can never play HoN for a full day, I play 0-5 games a day with 5 being extremely rare. My average games played per day is probably closer to 1 but recently it has been 2 or 3.

I have a genius level IQ and I admit I am just a random 1700 player and will never become a pro.

[sho_Opao]

Well, IQ probably plays a part but not much. Its mostly experience that makes a player good. But then again, like one person said, talent also plays a pretty big factor.