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I've been playing this lane over the past few days with nothing but succes. It is a sick lane, with harass, 2x disable and a slow and when they hit lvl 6 if you havent gotten a kill already you should get it now. I just cant think of a lane that beats it, theoretically. were talking duo mid matchup, who beats them and why?
Duo mid isn't exactly a lane where aggressive play is rewarded a lot. Witch Slayer definitely would kill Glacius instantly duo to you not having any real stun, even FA probably. Any other standard ranged carry should work. This is the scenario at 6. Earlier than that the carry would be important. But in my opinion WS is so great that I would put him in a FA lane anyway.
Since neither of them silences/stun, good old pyro+mag/hammer will do the job...or Cthulu/Dshaman, Pebbles+Nymphora, there are several line-ups if played well, who can beat them.
If you talk about 1vs2 mid, then i'd say Bubb, Arachna is possible.
And in 1vs2 the one wins, if he still gets levels and a bit farm, so you should send a typical sucide lane against them.
Last edited by Aeru; 04-09-2012 at 08:30 AM.
Beating them in a side lane wouldn't be that hard but you can't really stomp a dual lane mid simply because of how close the tower is. I think Magebane would be ok against it at because he can dodge FA's Q with his blink and he's got 320 ms to quickly get to and from the creep line when last hitting & denying. Combined with an early iron shield, hatchet and plenty of runes he should see the lane through without dying and getting at least some farm, though I'd actually focus on denying instead of last hitting simply because MB can farm later but if he denies, it'll hurt them much more than not focusing on last hitting will hurt Magebane.
Mad man... Simply get stout shield,battery and VESTIMENT and bottle...
There is no they cant kill you with that also remember that stack only cost 60mana and yet do 100 dmg...
If im not wrong it's like 1.5 dmg for 1 mana which is great...
If you suck then you'll buy boots before these items...
Armadon, DM, I guess loads of strength heroes can beat it.
1.5 damage/mana isn't great. It's rather low. However, it is 2 damage/mana at max level, which is mediocre. And it will only work if they don't buy blue wards, which they will if Glacius is 'hard' supporting. After that Imprisonment + rest and you should die even with those items. But yeah, you will have your support too, you can call ganks etc.Originally Posted by Tay_z0nday
They are both amazingly squishy
A stunner/nuker lane would easily win
But you gotta be aggressive don't let them try to kill you first
Demented + Cthulhu, denies and just all-around strong and easy to survive aggression w/ demented heal; Cthulhu can ruin glacius' stacking parade by just eating up the big neutrals glac stacks
predator + plague, denies; and pred can farm somewhat safely with stone skin combined with those denies; pred + plague can also choose to be aggressive and jump on glacius whenever glac puts himself out of position.
Nymph + EW derp, EW can trap neutral spawns, and both fa and glac are squishy and will just get raped by wolves spam
magmus + pyro, kill glacius over and over, he just melts because pyro and Mag are like fire and hot stuff melts ice; mag and pyro can also kill any stacks attempted quite easily for themselves
parasite + plague, deny all day, parasite can jump in jungle for creeps to gank with, easy to burst down underleveled squishies all day
Jeraziah + EW, read nymph + EW, but jera gets the farm at first to rush a ring of sorcery, then troll face startsthe advantage you get over nymph is jera charm >> anything fa/glac can throw at you, both early and mid-game, all the way til nullfire is picked up, but by then nullstones will probably be picked up (gg)
Revenant + stun, neither glac nor fa have escape mechs, catch them out of position and they are done
accursed + soul reaper/demented, dive them fukers, use the lane win to generate an early push strat with team
I could go on but I'm getting bored lol..
but yes, fa + glacius can be quite strong, IMO mostly because glacius can do a lot of stacking work while fa gets a pseudo solo lane, glacius just popping in to force heroes out of the lane when necessary, and just freezing down a hard creep once in a while to keep up in levels. this makes it kinda hard to out-play, and you'd have to establish dominance from the beginning vs fa + glac, which can be harder when you have to waste some gold in order to ward pull. EW, Cthulhu, parasite can deal with the neutral situation nicely, either that or just looking to gank glacius whenever he's out of position (or a lone fa if glacius runs out to ward/stack or something)
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To counter the lane you basicly need a long reliable stun like hammerstorm or so, Valk mag or valk hammer is a great pick.
I know everyone hates on him these days, but Accursed paired with a ranged carry also works. Shield breaks all cc and he can still heal through it unlike charm. Try Accursed/Puppet and you will see puppet get some relatively easy and safe farm.
Will you be killing them? No - unless you get gank support. But puppet carries harder than FA in the end so if both sides are just farming then you are relatively winning the lane.
Mona + Geo, DS + Panda / arma / cthulu, Valk or Pyro + Maggy or Hammer.
List can go on for ages. It is, as stated, a very strong lane. Glaci in particular is excellent in combination with a great many heroes. The range you get (harass) is defo a good thing, but their are way more burstable combos you can get aswell. If you haven't already, try out Glaci + Geo. That combo is insanely good.
Their main disadvantage is their low hp pools and their lack of escapes. Neither one of them can take a stun + nuke-combo and live through it early on, so ganking you will be a rather easy task.
FA is a monster starting at lv 6, puppet is a monster after a couple of core items.
Defensively, Predator can Skin and Swiftblade can SPIN2WIN out of their pins and slows.
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