[2.5.14] Defiler

[PowerBro]

You're now comparing the two heroes to roamers, which is a reflection of the metagame.

Defiler slams Hag six ways to Sunday in a lane. Damage and attack point are comparable. In laning, the main comparison is a pbaoe nuke to a cone aoe nuke. Hag has to leave the lane or get support to compete because Defiler eats her so hard. Hag has better rune controle, but her getting a bottle to exploit it early enough to matter is contingent on Defiler not exploiting her advantages earlier.

How do we know this? A year ago the matchup wasn't uncommon in high level play, and Hag ultimately fell out of favour due to her trash lane control followed by linear damage output in the early mid which couldn't keep up with tank carries. Defiler eats Hag solo mid.

And 1 year ago, the metagame wasn't encouraging ganks nearly as much, wards of rev could be bought at 0 minutes into the game, junglers were not popular, burst heroes were not nearly used as much, Panda was a valid pick, madman was seeing action, FA was a bad hero.

[Arilou]

Would it be too overpowered to actually make Defiler ultimate heal her at the same time instead of at the end? Could nerf the heal a bit but overall would give her that 'tankyness' this meta is filled with.

[[f13]`11411181]

Krob has her spirits healing per attack as a scepter upgrade (sotm upgrade) in dota2; if that was to be implemented here, I think it'd need to be similar.

And 1 year ago, the metagame wasn't encouraging ganks nearly as much, wards of rev could be bought at 0 minutes into the game, junglers were not popular, burst heroes were not nearly used as much, Panda was a valid pick, madman was seeing action, FA was a bad hero.

I don't think you really understand the circumstances you're trying to represent there as well as you think you do.

[[SSBC]Balls`n`Nuts]

So what Defiler is not being picked up as much in competitive gaming, there is 101 heroes in hon, 80 of them are not seeing any competitive action from time to time.
Then all of the sudden a new hero comes along, this is providing the needed synergy in return we see other heroes entering the scene for a while.
I am in big favor of nerfing other heroes compared to buffing Defiler.
Defiler smacks other heroes in the mouth mid + with right gear she is powerful early/middle/late game i.e. No need for Nerf

[[eR]Ekamo]

Closing all threads regarding heroes that were given relevant changes in the recent balance patch.

For further discussion about the changes and their implications, I suggest you take a look at the Patch Reception thread.