This ultimate just does so much damage, 24 minions at max level, according to an ideal situation half will be explosive while the others will be attackers, so that's 12:12 in theory. 12x85=1020 40x12=480 and this 480 physical damage can multiply and ignores damage deflection I'm assuming this ignores things such as hotbl, which makes it a huge counter to tanks. In theory this spell does 1020+480xN where N is the number of attacks, however this is all theoretical, so the damage will not ideally be outrageous, but it obviously does quite a number in 1v1 situations and team fights. The most simple answer to this is to burst down the zombies with aoe, but this is why it's used in conjunction with stuns, locking down enemies. How do you all deal with it, or is it just one of those ultimates where the player has to be silenced/permastunned?
Grave keeper can be and extremely annoying hero to play against, but from my experience behemoth is an excellent counter to grave keeper's ulti as behes ulti deals more damage the more corpses are around.
Well, getting a hell flower or a shrunken basically makes him useless but early game it is a good idea to pickup mystic vestments and/or power supply.
Just move... Everytime i played vs gravekeeper i've always thought hes ult did close to nothing. The attacking creeps will just run towards you (slowly) and not get a single hit off.
It depends on your hero. A lot of heroes have escapes, and those that don't have instant escapes can usually just mow down the zombies pretty easily. You'd need to give a specific hero you're having issues with.
energizer/ghosts lets you just.....leave (as long as you're not stunned or rooted). Beyond that, don't get out of position. Gravekeeper relies on his opponents making bad positioning decisions and capitalizing on them.
Also, afaik, behe ult doesn't count corpses any more, just living units. Can't confirm right now b/c hero page is down and no HoN at work.
Tablet. Tablet. IT IS SUCH A GOOD ITEM. Wards excluded, it is one of the best items in the game. Tablet is quite inexpensive as well.. 2040? if I remember correctly.. If you see yourself getting surrounded just use that.
you must be joking. Everything about gravekeeper is garbage. I honestly suggest that you counter him by playing another game if you have any trouble dealing with GK.
Jeez... I'm thoroughly offended by this thread.
Although this sounds stupidly obvious, you counter it the same way you counter every other hero with a potentially powerful ult...don't put yourself in position to take all of it.
Swift, PR, MQ, and countless others all have ults that could be considered OP if you play into their strengths, and are borderline useless if you don't.
GK ult is very similar to MQ or PR ult in how easily it can completely crap out, and how powerful it is when the other team takes the entire thing to the face. SB ult is slightly more reliable due to its tracking mechanics and no targeting restrictions.
Tablet was already mentioned. Frostfield is another nice item counter, though you'd never get one just cuz GK ulti
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I love playing GK but his ult is utter garbage.
Even if the GK was smart enough to pick up an energizer so he gets crackling zombies, they still don't do enough damage in over half of the fights unless there aren't any creep/structures/heroes around or if you're stun locked.
The only way you might get messed up by zombies is if your some combination of
1. By yourself
2. Half hp
3. stun locked
4. No ghost marchers
Its rare to die if only one of the criteria are met, pretty uncommon if two are met, and even if all four criteria are met, theres still a pretty good chance of you getting out.
as far as I know the only way to nail a good gravekeeper ult on multiple people is to combo with tempest, kraken, engi, and/or flux ults, or just a LOT of combo Cc's/stuns/slows/disables. Otherwise people have to be pretty dumb to not just run away and take minimal/no damage from it.
But like people have said, energizer and tablet (and ghost marchers and frostfield) are great counters to it to make sure none of your team gets hit by it, that or just plain staying out of a position to get nailed by it.