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What boots should I get onand
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And under which situations??
I prefer steamboots for the stats since I usually build a tablet. Striders are acceptable if you plan on hardcore roaming. Even ghost are good if you want the MS, but I try to avoid ghost when they have a lot of stuns/ccs that you can't avoid with the MS and health from steamboots might be more useful.
thunder <-------steamboots
polly <-------striders , and if it goes well travel boots
always works
Striders =)
If you are n0tail you get post haste on polly.
No no No NOOOOO NO
NO FKING STRIDERS. First. TB Is squishy as ****. Tb Uses bottle, Tb has a ton of burst but sometimes needs to chase, this means TB Has 3 boots to choose from, posthaste, ghost marchers, steamboots. It all depends on their heroes, if theyve stuns and burst, go steams, if they have heroes u have to chase to kill and you can't possibly kill them in time before they get helped get ghost marchers, if you have godly farm, get posthaste you can set up ganks so easily and you can also push with your q really easily lategame specially... Same goes for polly, posthaste if you have god farm.. by god farm i mean you get early kills, have 1-2 towers and over 370+ gpm like 14-18 mins in. Steam boots if you need hp or you dont have godly farm, thing is you cant get striders because you can not chase with those boots, they give you no stats so you will always be out of mana, you will not be able to nuke once more etc, also he is really squishy and quite slow movespeed so ghost marchers do not help you as much as other heroes + ghost marchers give you speed for survivability, and honestly that is almost always a bad trade.....
On Tb Get steams 65% of times, post haste 20 % of times, ghosts 10% of times, striders 5%...
On polly get steams 50%, post haste 30%, ghosts n striders both 10% each.
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poly is a semi carry and should be getting decent farm, no reason to EVER get striders on poly... do you get striders on freaking valkyrie or tort?
sheesh. or aluna? poly isn't a main carry unless you're snowballing like crazy, but there's no excuse to have **** boots like striders on poly.
Valk does significant physical damage and mobility is her forte, so striders make no sense.
Tort relies on mobility and tankiness in order to deal significant damage while being in the center of the teamfight, so striders make no sense.
Polly's entire contribution comes from stationary wards and 3 spells with gigantic range, two of which are disables to allow other people to do damage. He doesn't need significant tankiness or mobility, and he's an extremely powerful ganker that nearly always goes mid. So striders make sense. The same way they do on pebbles, who is also a form of semicarry. My point is this: he may be a semicarry, but that doesn't mean he's the same as every other semicarry and you can just throw them out as a comparison.
Personally I think striders on polly is a poor choice. Most frequently he should have steamboots, and occasionally post haste. But your logic seems extremely unsound to me, and you're quite incorrect in claiming that striders are a ridiculous item on polly.
Last edited by Mankrik; 03-06-2012 at 12:51 AM.
O.oOriginally Posted by Mankrik
what's unsound about my logic? poly is a semi carry and gets farm easily.
thus, he shouldn't have striders because they are by far the worst boots. i don't see anything unsound about this logic. it's a ridiculous item on him. if you aren't getting good farm on poly, you're doing it wrong. he also shouldn't be "roaming around."
ganking with runes from mid maybe, but that's not quite the same as the underleveled support roam that i picture when people talk about "roaming."
1. There is always a possibility to get bad farm as
2. Striders are of course not the best boots but they are fine on Polly if you wanna gank alot and leave the farm to other ppl.
striders allows him to pick up other pickups even earlier, while maintaining great mobility to move around doing work. You can get that pkey or stormspirit or just whatever much earlier than if you had used that gold on other boots, and your mobility in terms of running around the map setting up ganks is even Moreso than any of te other boots, and that mobility is effective much earlier than say posthaste.
If I mid with Polly I probably wouldn't get striders on him often either (probably steamboots for survivability, bottle and stat manipulation, and just the fact that I'm probably going to be picking up stormspirit or pkey if not both so mobility isn't as an issue), but I agree with mankrik that your logic is a bit unsound. just because Polly is capable of farming well doesn't mean striders are horrible on him.
Edit:
same for tb, I'll usually opt for steamboots because again, survivability, stat manipulation w/ bottle/power supply/mana ring, and I also love picking up pkey on tb for the insta-jump into the middle of a fight and nuke a whole team's life down by ~60% in 2 seconds flat
Last edited by PrestonLee; 03-06-2012 at 01:14 PM.
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Why try to teach other players if you have no idea of how to play said hero? You are just confusing new players with your misinformation.
Any hero can be regarded as a 'semi-carry' and even if polly comes to mind he will forever be seen primarily as a pusher and a ganker, both of which relies on moving around from lane to lane as soon he gets his ulti and/or one or two core items. While different boots are good on him you will a lot of times find other core items such as Portal Key, Tablet of Command, Stormspirit or even Staff of the Master more important simply because
Why try to teach other players if you have no idea of how to play said hero? You are just confusing new players with your misinformation.
Any hero can be regarded as a 'semi-carry' and even if polly comes to mind he will forever be seen primarily as a pusher and a ganker, both of which relies on moving around from lane to lane as soon he gets his ulti and/or one or two core items. While different boots are good on him you will a lot of times find other core items such as Portal Key, Tablet of Command, Stormspirit or even Staff of the Master more important simply because
I think this pretty much confirms that your opinion on this subject is not valid.
Staff of the master on Poly!!? Terrible. Pkey, tablet, stormspirit I can understand, but STAFF?
And no, not any hero can be regarded as a semi-carry. For instance, TDL isn't a semi-carry, and neither is nymph.
Do you, per chance, know what a semi-carry IS?
I saw only one good reason posted so far in this thread to buy striders, and that's as a set of interim boots to hold out with, while you get a portal key. Then you sell them back later and buy better boots. That's an acceptable plan. Not something I would do, but at least it makes sense.
Your reasons make no sense. Do you push much? It doesn't require you to "run around everywhere." Hahahahahaha. And if you were PUSHING, you would buy PUSH BOOTS, NEVER striders.
... You just proved how little you actually know.
The point on the striders is that it saves you 700g towards the PK/Stormspirit/Shrunken while you still get a better presence ALL OVER THE MAP. Especially when you are going for the Post-Haste. And SotM is a valid build if you want to split-push. It makes the threat of Polly grabbing undefended towers that much higher if that is what you are going for. I'm not a fan of the item either, really rarely build it but it has great uses if you use it well. Not like so many pubs who just think "OMG MOAR WARDS NIEC!"
Steamboots are **** tier for micromanagement tards who should be focusing on their positioning and timing instead. You want more HP and utility? Go Greaves instead, tardass, and stop moving to the frontline while playing an INT. You'll get better stats, more armor, and significantly more team utility and pushing capability. Unless you've noticed; it's all about winning the match. And Tb is a good pusher, and Polly a very good one.
Have a look at my hero Wrathful Saint - a spellspammer inspired by Ancient Apparition, a quart of vodka, and a burning hatred for Shrunken Head.
lots of people prefer striders for easy roaming, but i would only get striders if i lost mid and my team really needs the ganks, other wise id get phase boots on tb (since he needs to chase heroes or run from then when his skills are off cd) and steams on polly since he rarely needs to run or chase after his skills are cast)
the armor boots are also a valid option when heroes like deadwood and pest are in play imo
In this world gone mad, we won't spank the EM players, the EM players will spank us.
For polly I aim boots of travel, but if i dont have HUGE gpm i wont get it. Usually with polly its easy to stomp mid, kill tower and opposite mid at lvl 6 which provides u huge gpm. If i dont get them fast I get armor boots for push and armor or phase boots. With tb I usually end up with phase boots. Its pretty standard to get treads to carry, striders to roamers and phase boots to spell casters.
oh and by the way obviously boots of travel on any mid hero when you completely destroy your lane
In this world gone mad, we won't spank the EM players, the EM players will spank us.
i always get striders below 400gpm mid on polly, if i have 400+ i get post haste. striders are actually really good if you plan on carrying your team early by pushing + ganking. steamboots just dont let you get to the lanes quick enough.
^pretty much that, though I personally still prefer steamboots, I can see exactly where you're coming from and do agree that early mobility can allow you to do a LOT very early on that you wouldn't be able to do with other boots, and this can lead to just carryIng his team easily through all that active ganking and pushing.
tl;dr - just because he farms fast doesn't mean striders are horrible. Semicarry =/= striders bad.
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