Even Atheism is missing some key parts.
Christ, give it a rest already people.
SPACESAVAGE I'm summoning you~
although i will say cause and effect isnt an actual law. particles have been found to spontaneously be generated in open space. something can indeed come from nothing.
and i dont think that god is impossible on this basis. he has enough other flaws that this is meaningless.
Last edited by LegoPirate; 02-28-2012 at 03:55 PM.
i dont need to say why something comes from nothing, only that it does. the why is something that is created by human intelligence (or lack thereof)
they are the ones making the claim of god, thus they are required to support that claim. since they have no evidence for god (no real evidence) then at the very least the logical position would be agnosticism. some of the more militant folks go for full on atheism.
Religion can't claim something to be supernatural either without treading on logically shaky ground since the god/gods in question must ultimately be part of a framework within which possibility reigns and outside impossibility reigns, making it only a matter of defining that which is inside as natural. Which by now must include what would normally be called supernatural.
While i guess you could argue that the framework is not necessarily static i cannot see how it could be so.
I believe there have been repeated attempts at generating discussion on the topic, all of which eventually degrade into passive-aggressive insults and mudslinging.
It's just way too much of a touchy subject.
The John Smith who will shake the world.
This is a troll thread because the troll (OP) created a false position of atheism (a straw man, if you will), attacked it, and then claimed that this somehow strengthens the position of religion. It's an old sack of bullshit that has been beaten to death. Honestly, I'm just tired of getting **** spewed everywhere.
This thread will ultimately lead to a religious discussion thread and if we've learned anything (and I hope we have), then this thread is destined to go nowhere. And least nowhere reasonable.
Personally, I think it's a little sad that we can't even mention religion without a bunch of people whistle blowing, instantly asking for a thread lock, or whining to the moderators.
If it's that touchy of a subject then it needs to be discussed. Rational, healthy people can discuss any topic without getting angry or defensive. Getting angry and defensive is a sign that you aren't comfortable with your own belief systems, so when other people challenge it, it upsets you.
What happens when nobody challenges people like this? You get the United States of America. So go ahead mods, lock the thread. Keep contributing to the problem I implore you.
Last edited by Hat_Truck; 02-28-2012 at 04:49 PM.
P.s: USA is a joke i agree, but not all of us are unfortunate enough to be stuck in that piss-soaked septic tank that insults the world by calling itself a free nation. "Land of the free" my virgin butthole.
Last edited by Blueflash; 02-28-2012 at 05:33 PM.
If you don't like these thread, don't open them. It's not like Off-Topic has some front-page real-estate that needs to be protected. Yes, the topic has been done to death, and at this point it's really more of an echo-chamber than anything. But I don't get why you need to be so upset about these threads when you could just ignore them.
I'd sing you a song, but
I'm just a little hoarse.