Even Atheism is missing some key parts.
Christ, give it a rest already people.
SPACESAVAGE I'm summoning you~
although i will say cause and effect isnt an actual law. particles have been found to spontaneously be generated in open space. something can indeed come from nothing.
and i dont think that god is impossible on this basis. he has enough other flaws that this is meaningless.
Last edited by LegoPirate; 02-28-2012 at 03:55 PM.
Religion can't claim something to be supernatural either without treading on logically shaky ground since the god/gods in question must ultimately be part of a framework within which possibility reigns and outside impossibility reigns, making it only a matter of defining that which is inside as natural. Which by now must include what would normally be called supernatural.
While i guess you could argue that the framework is not necessarily static i cannot see how it could be so.
i dont need to say why something comes from nothing, only that it does. the why is something that is created by human intelligence (or lack thereof)
they are the ones making the claim of god, thus they are required to support that claim. since they have no evidence for god (no real evidence) then at the very least the logical position would be agnosticism. some of the more militant folks go for full on atheism.
I believe there have been repeated attempts at generating discussion on the topic, all of which eventually degrade into passive-aggressive insults and mudslinging.
It's just way too much of a touchy subject.
The John Smith who will shake the world.
This is a troll thread because the troll (OP) created a false position of atheism (a straw man, if you will), attacked it, and then claimed that this somehow strengthens the position of religion. It's an old sack of bullshit that has been beaten to death. Honestly, I'm just tired of getting **** spewed everywhere.
This thread will ultimately lead to a religious discussion thread and if we've learned anything (and I hope we have), then this thread is destined to go nowhere. And least nowhere reasonable.
Personally, I think it's a little sad that we can't even mention religion without a bunch of people whistle blowing, instantly asking for a thread lock, or whining to the moderators.
If it's that touchy of a subject then it needs to be discussed. Rational, healthy people can discuss any topic without getting angry or defensive. Getting angry and defensive is a sign that you aren't comfortable with your own belief systems, so when other people challenge it, it upsets you.
What happens when nobody challenges people like this? You get the United States of America. So go ahead mods, lock the thread. Keep contributing to the problem I implore you.
Last edited by Hat_Truck; 02-28-2012 at 04:49 PM.
Originally Posted by senzation54
Since when have atheists use "the law of cause and effect" to disprove God?
Anyway nobodies sure yet how the universe came into existence, although some physicists have ideas, however they are not by any means proven.
A Universe From Nothing
Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?
inb4 quantum physics debate
First of all, atheism is not a belief system. Someone made the analogy that atheism is to a belief system as "off" is to a T.V. Channel.
Atheism is a lack of belief in theism (usually noted as a lack of belief in a God).
However, a lack of a belief in supernatural theologies, does not necessarily mean a firm belief in Science, nature, math, or any particular school of thought.
Therefore, your (and the video's) premise is fundamentally flawed: Just because you're an atheist, it doesn't mean you automatically believe in The Big Bang Theory.
However, even if you did believe in the The Big Bang Theory, it doesn't mean you have to explain every single detail about it and the beginnings of the Universe for it to be valid.
For example, before we knew what the Sun was or where it came from, we could very clearly look into the sky during the day and see that there was a bright orange ball of light. Even if some theists at the time may have wanted to deny that there was a big bright orange ball of light, it did not change the fact that the Sun was there.
Similarly, on the topics of The Big Bang Theory, Evolution, etc., just because we don't completely understand every detail, does not mean that what we can see and prove with overwhelming empirical evidence has no value. To say that it has no value would be a logical fallacy.
tl;dr - You don't have to know every single detail about an event or occurrence to know that it happened.
Last edited by Hat_Truck; 02-28-2012 at 05:16 PM.
Originally Posted by senzation54
P.s: USA is a joke i agree, but not all of us are unfortunate enough to be stuck in that piss-soaked septic tank that insults the world by calling itself a free nation. "Land of the free" my virgin butthole.
Last edited by Blueflash; 02-28-2012 at 05:33 PM.
to be fair, he didnt start this one.
like flies to the light tho.