Pokemon Thread

[Tyrando]

the difference is that its A fair which is required in a competitive enviroment, and B theres no advantage to older players where new players have to grind their way up to even be put on the same level

look at any competitive fighting game
Everyone has access to every character
Both players can choose the same character meaning if one character is vastly overpowered its not an issue because both players can pick them
no grind beyond simply learning how to play the game/character

Grinding is purely there to slow down progression, its there for a reason because hey wtf is the point spending $60 on a game that lasts 5 minutes but when in this case you know how to play pokemon and want to play with others, which is more fun, fighting when you want or "hang on gimme a week to grind out my EV/levels".

[KingIsRey]

I never took Pokemon to be a competitive game with how cute and fuzzy they make the starters .

Even from a competitive standpoint, there are some Pokemon vastly superior to others (Tiers supports this,ie. Uber). You can have access to all Pokemon, but competitively they are seperated by tiers and are not on the same level (poor ethic in a fighting game). Look at the NU list, its a joke. Then look at all the OP attacks abilites, ex: Stealth Rock, Guts, Drizzle, Swift Swim, Sand Stream, Sand Rush, Speed Boost. Lastly, an indepently made program hardly justifies that the actual game is meant for competition. Seriously, its Pokemon. You have to grind levels anyway to beat each game in the series, so don't get angry that it delays the short-sided competitive aspect.

[skeloperch]

I play it both casually and competitively, and keep both sides separate. I play pokemon games several times over, and that's when I go through grind. When I simply want to have a fun battle, without having to waste hours breeding for perfects IV's and nature, and then training the pokemon monotonously, then I'll use pokemon online. Besides, yes, certain tactics are over powered, namely STEALTH ROCKS, but besting your opponents with worse pokemon is always a joy.

Why should I have to sit through the torture of grinding a Parasect up to level 100 after 10~ hours of breeding for perfection, just so I can use it 2-3 times? What's the point of innovation if you have to completely scrap a pokemon, if your strategy didn't work out, in game? I feel PO brings out the best in me, competitively, as I enjoy finding obtuse strategies, and using them to beat opponents. This is why I play NU in UU/OU; because it's challenging, and it feels ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS when you beat generic sand team #3132 with Omastar, Parasect, Ninjask, Clamperl, Cryogonal, and Charizard. You don't get that kind of satisfaction in regular pokemon, as it would take you an eternity to tweak your team to perfection, and by then, new strategies will have been developed, and it's back to the drawing board.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

Use '/roll 1 648' 6 times.
Make team from nunbers

I want to see someone do this.

[[Loli]Gohka]

Ground > Fire > Ice is perfect as well. Electric > Water > Ground also works. Oh yeah, and don't forget the Psychic > Fighting > Dark triangle, Poison > Grass > Ground triangle (poison fits into a triangle, but bug doesn't lawl), and Grass > Rock > Flying.

Either way, I don't know why Gohka is over reacting to BW. I ****ing loved what good it did for the series, and hated what it did wrong. What went right greatly outweighed what went wrong, and I love a lot of the designs. I mean, yeah, DW is stupid, and not being able to farm berries until you get there is ****tarded, but you had to put up with that **** in Gen 1/2 as well, and you can't even reliably farm berries in HG/SS. Only other bad things are things that make my fake-autism flare, like Elesa having 2 Emolga's instead of having a Joltik/Galvantula/Eelektrik, and the lack of post game content (which it still has more of than any previous game released). I would've liked if they weren't so scared of developing an actual working relationship system instead of the half-assed one they did, but at least they laid the groundworks (talking to an NPC a lot will eventually get them to say friendlier lines, but only certain NPCs, and you have to battle them daily at Black City/Nimbasa).

In fact, I think that was the biggest flaw; they tried to innovate, yet they were kinda meek about it. They put in a 'relationship' system, although HG/SS kinda did something similar, yet they were afraid to continue any further (I would've loved bro-ing up with that one biker in Black City who had a Gengar, but, alas, it was not to be). They wanted to add a lot of cool psychic types, but they kinda derped the evolution requirements, and made it so that your psychic type needs extra attention to do anything worthwhile (although, this trend has been going on since G/S/C ****ed the type up). They wanted to add a lot of cool type combinations, but they messed up the stats and move pools (****ing Bisharp. It had so much potential to be a bad-ass bro this gen, but noooooOOOoooo, they made it evolve at 52, gave it a shallow a move pool until you finished the game and got good TM's, which still didn't fix his move pool, and they ****ed it's stats hard). They wanted to make TM's/HM's much less of a hassle to manage, but they basically made HM's worse than TM's since you still have to go to a move deleter to delete HM's. I mean, you only needed on HM to progress through the story, and the rest were for side quests, but why not just remove the need entirely? Why not make it so that HM's can be forgotten on their own, or make it so you can transfer pokemon with HM's between games, or make it so that pokemon get abilities like that based on levels (for example, Machamp can smash rocks as soon as you get him, and can use strength once he hits level 35)? Why not just make them into items? You could turn Surf into a surf board, or rock smash into a pick or something.

All in all, I think what they should do with B2/W2 is that they should finish what they started (fix move pools, fix lack of special types, finish relationship system, make dream world more easily accessible [**** you Game Freak, I'm just gonna use Pokemon Online for competitive battling if you're gonna pull this dream world ability ****], and phase out HM's entirely, or at least their negative effects).

Its not just the terrible pokemon design, the story was horrible, the rivals were aggravating, and the enemy team was forgettable. B/W failed in most aspects.
They added a bit to competitive play, but I don't think it was enough for me to sit through that bubblegum storyline.

[skeloperch]

Its not just the terrible pokemon design, the story was horrible, the rivals were aggravating, and the enemy team was forgettable. B/W failed in most aspects.
They added a bit to competitive play, but I don't think it was enough for me to sit through that bubblegum storyline.

I found the design to be akin to that of Gen I's, and it did do a lot of similar design choices. While I want to just leave it at >opinions, I think B/W did fine with designs (minus **** like the Tepig line, the Woobat line, and the Ducklett line), I absolutely ****ing hated them for what they did to the pokemon. Evolving, for the first time, at level 45+ is unacceptable, especially when the evolution is as shitty as Braviary, Zweilous, or Deino.

Besides, at least it HAD story, unlike Gen I/II. I didn't even think the story was that bad, it's just that it wasn't fleshed out enough for it's intended effects (they really should've delved deeper into Ghetsis' and N's backgrounds). The rivals being aggrevating is also a good thing. I never once felt threatened/upset by Gary or red-haired-fagoloid, but Barry has literally made me rage quit pokemon for weeks, and Bianca got me upset by what ended up happening to her. I never once regarded Gary as anything but a lack luster nuisance, and he is, too. People just need to take off their rose-tinted glasses. Besides, PLASMAAAAAAA being forgettable is bull ****. They were more memorable than Team Rocket, who really didn't do **** besides create Mewtwo and try to pull of some petty thefts. Ghetsis himself was more memorable than most video game villains, because he went above and beyond what you'd expect a villain to do. He turned his own son into a shut in, and used him as a scapegoat for his evil plans. He never intended to share any of his glory with N, and he bullies his own son around. If that weren't bad enough, he didn't give a **** about pokemon, or his followers (much like Cyrus, who is another great villain), and he didn't give two shits about the death toll. All Giovanni had going for him is that he was one suave mother ****er, but he was easily the worst villain of the series.

But then again, >opinions.

[Tyrando]

i liked gary, he even had an optional battle and changed his eevee depending on how the fight went, he surpassed the elite four and became champ for about 5 seconds..

i'd learn to love the evil teams if they didnt just use the same 2 pokemon on every damn grunt ever, i'd understand if it was like "ok your one of us here's your evil partner" but half the time its a freakin rat, like seriously they should all have Houndoors or some dark/ghost pokemon i mean even Jessie/James were Grunts and have their own unique pokemon.

my fav rival was Silver from Gen2, he actually had character development, goes from this no good pokemon thief where his theft isnt even implied, he actually takes the starter, goes on to steal a Sneasel from another trainer aswell,gladly takes on the challenge to kick team rocket's ass along with the player because he considers them weak and then gets his ass handed to him by Lance and ofc the player and eventually grows from a douche into a worthy trainer because fighting him for the last time shows his Golbat evolve into Crobat which is only done through happiness and they even enhance him further in Gen4.

easily has the best character development imo.

[skeloperch]

i liked gary, he even had an optional battle and changed his eevee depending on how the fight went, he surpassed the elite four and became champ for about 5 seconds..

i'd learn to love the evil teams if they didnt just use the same 2 pokemon on every damn grunt ever, i'd understand if it was like "ok your one of us here's your evil partner" but half the time its a freakin rat, like seriously they should all have Houndoors or some dark/ghost pokemon i mean even Jessie/James were Grunts and have their own unique pokemon.

my fav rival was Silver from Gen2, he actually had character development, goes from this no good pokemon thief where his theft isnt even implied, he actually takes the starter, goes on to steal a Sneasel from another trainer aswell,gladly takes on the challenge to kick team rocket's ass along with the player because he considers them weak and then gets his ass handed to him by Lance and ofc the player and eventually grows from a douche into a worthy trainer because fighting him for the last time shows his Golbat evolve into Crobat which is only done through happiness and they even enhance him further in Gen4.

easily has the best character development imo.

Cyrus eventually evolved his golbat into Crobat, and he was a ****ing megalomaniac apathetic monster that hated his pokemon, and hated his team, so what is your point there. As for Silver; Barry , Cheren, and Bianca all had character development. Cheren, for example, went from only doing what would make him stronger to doing good for the sake of doing good. He knew you were better than him towards the end, so he set off to strengthen himself. All Silver did was act like a **** for the entire game, and then question his actions, and Gary was just some loser who just wanted to beat you.

Also, I feel that was a big problem with all of the games except D/P/Pt. Everyone had the generic rodent (except for team Magma, but Poochyena were quite common), and then some poison/dark types. Team Galactic used anything from a glameow to a croagunk to a beautifly, and I don't think a single one had bidoof. However, for all of the crap I give D/P/Pt, I still think it's better than R/B/Y/Fr/Lf and G/S/C/HG/SS.

[[Poni]Berry_Punch]

[KingIsRey]

So... whats everybody's preference on custom names for your Pokemon. Here were two of my favotite:
I named my Honchkrow Ghost Face Killer (GhstFaceKL) because it was dark-type, looked fly with hat and pink.
One of my most favorite Pokemon, Aggron, named Jason X

[RunninDaGame]

Pokemon is against animal rights...

[[Poni]Berry_Punch]

man stop of stole my ideas!! lol
leet me see...
Yeah animal fight

[skeloperch]

So... whats everybody's preference on custom names for your Pokemon. Here were two of my favotite:
I named my Honchkrow Ghost Face Killer (GhstFaceKL) because it was dark-type, looked fly with hat and pink.
One of my most favorite Pokemon, Aggron, named Jason X

Golem named Iodine.

[RunninDaGame]

man stop of stole my ideas!! lol
leet me see...
Yeah animal fight

lmao!

[[Poni]Berry_Punch]

[[TG4U]Escavalier]

Gen 3 / 4 and 5 Both Fire/Fighting Starters.. SO OVER IT!!!!

Think only thing iv EV Trained is a Durant... That Steel/Bug Ant just drestroys stuff..

[FatesDenial]

DON'T RESURRECT MY THREAD AGAIN, I'M SO ANNOYED I HAD TO USE AN ALT GAH caps

[Raina_]

[[TECH]Gorb]

I found the design to be akin to that of Gen I's, and it did do a lot of similar design choices. While I want to just leave it at >opinions, I think B/W did fine with designs (minus **** like the Tepig line, the Woobat line, and the Ducklett line), I absolutely ****ing hated them for what they did to the pokemon. Evolving, for the first time, at level 45+ is unacceptable, especially when the evolution is as shitty as Braviary, Zweilous, or Deino.

Besides, at least it HAD story, unlike Gen I/II. I didn't even think the story was that bad, it's just that it wasn't fleshed out enough for it's intended effects (they really should've delved deeper into Ghetsis' and N's backgrounds). The rivals being aggrevating is also a good thing. I never once felt threatened/upset by Gary or red-haired-fagoloid, but Barry has literally made me rage quit pokemon for weeks, and Bianca got me upset by what ended up happening to her. I never once regarded Gary as anything but a lack luster nuisance, and he is, too. People just need to take off their rose-tinted glasses. Besides, PLASMAAAAAAA being forgettable is bull ****. They were more memorable than Team Rocket, who really didn't do **** besides create Mewtwo and try to pull of some petty thefts. Ghetsis himself was more memorable than most video game villains, because he went above and beyond what you'd expect a villain to do. He turned his own son into a shut in, and used him as a scapegoat for his evil plans. He never intended to share any of his glory with N, and he bullies his own son around. If that weren't bad enough, he didn't give a **** about pokemon, or his followers (much like Cyrus, who is another great villain), and he didn't give two shits about the death toll. All Giovanni had going for him is that he was one suave mother ****er, but he was easily the worst villain of the series.

But then again, >opinions.

Definitely opinions.

I would take off my rose-tinted goggles but I'm here on a recently-purchased (secondhand) Advance SP playing my original (~13 year old) Pokemon Red cartridge (new game, old save seems to have been my brother's. Stupid Pokemon names and he chose Blastoise as a starter. On Red). It's still perfectly enjoyable. This is less nostalgia and more "Gorb is playing the game on his Advance as he is writing this post".

From what I have read of Barry in the manga (and seen in Diamond) the only way he would make me ragequit is by being a massively annoying child. But that is simply my opinion.

EDIT: wow this is a significant necro. I don't mind, skelo is being bad and hating on the earlier generations.

Also, I find the line "Team Rocket didn't do much beyond create Mewtwo" hilarious. The strongest Gen I Pokemon. Perhaps the strongest in Gen II. One of the strongest in Gen III. I don't know much beyond that but his moveset and stats are still around the godly level, even with power creep.

Even if that was all they ever did, that's a massive raging huge impact on the game (and don't even get me started on the lore/manga, Blaine, the Deoxys arc, Ash, Mew sightings, etc).

[Raina_]

Still ontopic but did anyone realise there are up to 15 pokemon movies. I only watched the first 3 as a kid. Why does Ash always carry that useless Pikachu. Rhetorical question.