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Got owned so changes the previous statments about attackspeed to something random about late game potential ftw...Originally Posted by changlingbob
Hrs talking about how effective the item is now vs befour, why you would change from it being a mid or late game from attackspeed issue i dont know
Last edited by Alastar; 02-12-2012 at 07:19 AM.
Does the new Helm of Black Legion (HoBL) stack with iron shield? If so, how does it work? Do both proc (causing you to block 50 dmg at times), or does the iron shield only proc during the milliseconds when HoBL is at 0 charges, or what?
Also, if HoBL has less than 5 charges and a hero attacks, what happens? Does it still block 30 dmg or does it do nothing, while still causing you to repeatedly revert back to 0 charges?
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They stack completely in terms of mechanics. If both proc at same time, only higher value is used.
So if there are 4 charges on hotbl and you have iron shield, if a hero attacks you you will block 20 damage (melee). If a creep attacks you you will block 30 damage and hotbl will lose one charge.
Basically if you do not have enough charges currently on hotbl it will resort to checking your other shield.
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Thank you very much for that quick response.
In your opinion, would it be better to fill that item slot with Iron Shield, or Ringmail?
Assuming that you already have decent armor rating (such as agi heroes), already have HoBL, and that you expect to be physically attacked heavily in team fights.
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Also, this link too!
Alllllll credit to MacroHard. Some of this is out of date I think, on the second link. I do apologise.
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Maybe.
time for you to die...
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My jedi powers (maybe borrowed from Idejder? idk...) will persuade you guys to keep future posts on-topic in this thread, winning this round for the jedi.
(Or else your posts will be deleted)
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You have convinced me, oh great one.
Could you have a look at the HotBL in the spreadsheet I linked and let me know if that's accurate for the current one or out of date? MacroHard could answer too as he made the spreadsheet for the EHP to gold on items.
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Out of date.
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I believe that my response might have been lost behind the other responses so I will repost:
Thank you very much for that quick response.
In your opinion, would it be better to fill that item slot with Iron Shield, or Ringmail?
Assuming that you already have decent armor rating (such as agi heroes), already have HoBL, and that you expect to be physically attacked heavily in team fights.
That depends on the damage the enemy does. The lower damage the enemy does per auto attack, the more iron shield is worth. In most cases past level 10, the ring mail will be better than the iron shield.
The iron shield does however grant a fair amount of agility. It helps last hitting for agility heroes and gives a small boost to armour and attack speed. Ring mail helps with both auto attacks and physical damage spells, however.
Of course I would consider going ringmail over iron buckler if I am vs a hero like Deadwood and his willowmaker. But for now, I am discounting abilities/spells. I am just looking at direct attack damage (auto-attacks).
During midgame, I saw that ringmail increased my armor rating on Dampeer by about 10%. For people doing 200 dmg, that would mean that I would have an additional 20 dmg reduction from wearing ringmail. If they do less than 200 damage, then the additional damage reduction from ringmail would amount to less than 20 dmg. Conversely, if I were to go with iron shield, that guarantees a 20 dmg block regardless of how small or how large of damage the enemy attacks with. Most of the game, and in most games, the majority of enemies attack with less than 200 damage. For this reason, iron buckler would provide more defense against attacks, most of the time, correct?
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If that's correct, then the next question I have would be whether iron shield would still be superior than ringmail, when I'm already wearing HoBL. Assuming that I still already have decent armor rating (Dampeer and other agi heroes), and that I expect to be auto-attacked heavily in team fights.
I ask this in context of MacroHard's explanation regarding how HoBL loses effectiveness against multiple enemy heroes in less than 5 seconds.
Last edited by The`Darkness; 02-27-2013 at 03:20 PM.
too many variables.
HOTBL also regains charges, so if there is a lull in the fight due to something like your team's magmus stunning them then you would be blocking with it more.
my advice would be dont waste the item slot on iron shield when you already have HOTBL and use it for something that gets bigger.
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