Your reasons for creating the thread are completely justified and understood - The way I present my viewpoint as a counter point to Gaminos seems to make everything argumentative. Either way, all of the posts above would be unessential if his own objective view was not so self-contradicting.
We should be able to compare survivability on a basis of ratios of damage types by principle, yet since there is apparent disagreement I find it appropriate to respond.
If we couldn't, most of the mathematical explanations you yourself have made, macro, in regards to EHP would be void.
More OT, however, what are your thoughts on movespeed boosting survivability ? Plated have +10ms over steamboots, is this something to consider when taking into account maximum attacks an enemy can obtain while chasing as well as avoiding skillshots?
(note, I do not recommend the above)
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That is kind of what separates the boots though - static EHP and side abilities and movespeed (Ghosts unitwalk, Plated pushing, etc.)
Im guessing a lot of has to do with the fact that you can make steamboots entirely at the outpost (6int item + gloves) where you have to courrier or go back to base for the plated. Just a thought
By using the logic posted in the OP, could it be argued that Ringmail provides greater survivability than Fortified Bracers? If the +5 armour from Plated Grieves provides more survivability than the +10 strength you get from Steamboots, surely the +5 armour you get from Ringmail is even better than the +6 Strength you get from bracers. Taking this concept even further, how does the HP you get from Bracers compare to the +3 Armour that you get from The Ring Of The Teacher?
Most games I play I usually always grab at least one pair of bracers in the name of increasing survivability, but if what Macro says about Grieves Vs Steamboots can also be applied to Fortified Bracers maybe Iím better off buying Ringmail or Ring Of The Teacher instead. Obviously, the +3 to the other stats from Bracers is pretty useful, and itís probably situational which one you would go for in any given game, but if weíre in the game of dispelling myths I think itís worth investigating.
Also, are you Will Ferrel?
Last edited by triplej; 01-28-2012 at 11:41 PM.
It's true, he is actually Will "MacroHard" Ferrel. ))
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Supposing you can buy a bit more than your boots what are the pro and cons of :Steamboots:+:Ringmail: VS :PlatedGreaves:+:MysticVestments: ?
LoL has actually plenty of physical damage abilities.HoN is filled with physical damage. Unlike another unnamed competing game, Heroes of Newerth contains many physical damage abilities.
Nooooo, don't tell all the noobs about my secret plated greaves
These are some very good points.
I, like a lot of players end up ignoring Greaves for some reason.
Thanks for the statistics. I will try using Plated Greaves instead some games and see how it goes.
Last edited by Cyanotic; 02-02-2012 at 08:08 PM.
I would still get steamboots on almost every int hero (if im not going for ghost marchers) if i can aford it early since +25 a.speed is huge at beggining of the game when everyone got similar dmg.
I prefer platedgreaves on 'pure tank' or support (when not smushed) because it gives +2 to all stats, armour and an AOE armour buff. Most support heroes are int and will never switch steamboots to Int. Platedgreaves offers survivability whilst providing a smidgen of primary stat, a fair compromise. The armour as established is very nice. The use can buff allies as well which makes it a good universal support item as this the cheapest form of armour buff after ring of the teacher. You already will get boots anyway so you pay 800g. Sol's Bulwark is 1900g. Most melee physical semi carries will tend to make sols' bulwark after boots (and HOTBL). You risk conflict of interest. If it's a pub game, they'll put it on - anyway.
I wish there was more use for Shield of the Five. This item doesn't need to exist. Its only existence is to make Plated Greaves a more reliable and safer build up then a 800g upfront investment.
Since most ranged support won't really be in a position to auto attack, particular short-ranged ones like Andromeda, the attack speed won't be useful. Steamboots offer late game presence, but you shouldn't have that much farm.
Last edited by Sherwood; 03-08-2012 at 08:13 AM.
These days you can build up plated greaves then later split and upgrade to steamboots and sac stone, profit?
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