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  1. #81
    Extremly dependant on early game and line up, wich is good to see a niche hero for a change ^^

    Also his ult does not work vs hide, intentional? I thought it was a heal :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by PzKw View Post
    (Even) If so, let it sit until it becomes clear what's wrong with him.

    He hasn't been out a week. We know some of his abilities have incredible potential, wait to see how he can be used.
    dont listen to anything yawningangel comments on his understanding of balance is beyond terrible.

    he commented saying parasite is a terrible hero on release and it became a first pick ban hero. He says right now chronos is the worst hero in the game in the chronos thread and then he is picked up and carrys every game loda plays with him to victory.

    you cant just say a hero is terrible because of random pub knowledge you have of playing a hero. i think this hero will fit his role and that is counter healer heavy lineups. If you remember about a year ago a top tier american strategy was run accursed, soul reaper demented shaman tri healer normally with a defiler. In this situation this hero would be a perfect pick being able to focus the defiler without receiving any heals. Even these days we often see double healer setups with ds and ophelia/nymphora.

    even tho the fact that his nuke falls off late game he has a true damage aura that is beyond stupid in solo situations.

    its to early to say how strong he is and hence why this is speculative and comments such as hur dur hes worst then the rest of the heroes in the hero pool are just dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyve View Post
    I thought threads weren't approved on the day the hero is released?

    Anyhow, he seems decent, although I dislike that his cooldowns are so extremely low.
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    Weak.

  5. #85
    A pathetic version of DommBringer from Dota. He is so easily kited and seems so slow. Can't yet say if he is in need of some epic buffs or not. Need to play him some more.
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    He gets kited like a ***** yet his slow is melee range. Curious design choices here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand_Sedai View Post
    dont listen to anything yawningangel comments on his understanding of balance is beyond terrible.

    he commented saying parasite is a terrible hero on release and it became a first pick ban hero. He says right now chronos is the worst hero in the game in the chronos thread and then he is picked up and carrys every game loda plays with him to victory.

    you cant just say a hero is terrible because of random pub knowledge you have of playing a hero. i think this hero will fit his role and that is counter healer heavy lineups. If you remember about a year ago a top tier american strategy was run accursed, soul reaper demented shaman tri healer normally with a defiler. In this situation this hero would be a perfect pick being able to focus the defiler without receiving any heals. Even these days we often see double healer setups with ds and ophelia/nymphora.

    even tho the fact that his nuke falls off late game he has a true damage aura that is beyond stupid in solo situations.

    its to early to say how strong he is and hence why this is speculative and comments such as hur dur hes worst then the rest of the heroes in the hero pool are just dumb.
    When I said Parasite blew, nobody in SBT had managed to do anything worthwhile with him and, lest we forget, he was bugged.

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  8. #88
    Allow me to direct you to http://honmatch.com/hero_use and the awesome 25% win rate of Parasite and less than 1% usage rate of Chronos.

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  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Nic3Guy View Post
    Extremly dependant on early game and line up, wich is good to see a niche hero for a change ^^

    Also his ult does not work vs hide, intentional? I thought it was a heal :S

    This, forgot to mention it in my post earlier. Should be changed.

  10. #90
    @up

    I though Sand Wraith is worst carry hero now .. :P He's like totaly nerfed imbalanced... Noone plays him at all :P, and also Parasite is just annoying **** that's hard to deal with early game ;P


    About Salforis, I dont think that hero is overpowered. That's true his aura is 'OP' 1v1. but, lets be clear, all 'main' fights are 5v5 at least, not to mention any creeps from Puzzle box, or Balphagores/tempest/whatever units, which makes that aura deal 10 damage . What may be 'OP' also is his ultimate, WHICH can be disabled from killing cuz id 'deny' option, so, yea he need some buffs on first skill, cuz it's pretty useless, i never use taht skill even :P

  11. #91
    After playing him a couple of times it seems that he should generally only be picked as a counter in the same sense that as of now a character such as vindicator is most viable against a line up consisting of "Combo" characters such as MK or pebbles.

    I'm also of the opinion that the slowing component of his W is too hard to land, primarily due to the wind up animation. It might be nice to consider rolling the slow into the buff itself. For example applying the slow (not necessarily the damage) in a cone around the target. Something akin to gladiators whip

    Just a thought

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyve View Post
    But frankly, it's good that we are getting heroes into the hero pool again that actually CAN fail.

    I mean lately we've had loads of "hurr I failed my lane so I'm gonna nuke down the 5 triple stacks to get ahead again".
    Because this way, you actually have to think how you use the hero, and how you lane him, instead of just randomly picking a hero and putting it ANYWHERE.
    More or less agree with this. let's give this guy time to find his role. Because how many times havent the community been wrong with balance..
    It's definitely possible if you know how to play well.

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Biszek View Post
    @up

    I though Sand Wraith is worst carry hero now .. :P He's like totaly nerfed imbalanced... Noone plays him at all :P, and also Parasite is just annoying **** that's hard to deal with early game ;P


    About Salforis, I dont think that hero is overpowered. That's true his aura is 'OP' 1v1. but, lets be clear, all 'main' fights are 5v5 at least, not to mention any creeps from Puzzle box, or Balphagores/tempest/whatever units, which makes that aura deal 10 damage . What may be 'OP' also is his ultimate, WHICH can be disabled from killing cuz id 'deny' option, so, yea he need some buffs on first skill, cuz it's pretty useless, i never use taht skill even :P
    His second and third skill are stronger than the first. I max 3rd priority, 2nd next and don't bother with q till midgame. He works surprisingly well solo vs 2 as Ra used to, hp regen goes a long way with high armour. A RoT is silly-good on him.

    Parasite outcarries too much. No hero should be viable with codex 50mins in - one shotting anything without magic immunity.


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  14. #94
    Initial concept was much more interesting. But once we got Salforis as he is...
    After preview I thought he will be really strong - high damage nuke, regeneration, tankiness, life leech attack and great and kinda unique (for HoN) ult that punishes tanky heroes like Ra and Zephyr and makes healers useless.
    But, in fact, he seems UP, apart form his ult. He supposed to be... Some kind of DotA's Doombringer? Ult is comparable, other skillset is worse, stats are worse. Some kind of Ra? Nuking power and passive DPS are nowhere near. Some kind of Electrician? Utility and passive DPS are nowhere near. Some kind of Gladiator? Not even funny.
    And yes, I'm aware that Doombringer is OP as hell, and tanky-dps like Ra's one isn't good, but Salforis is bad. In his current state he can be picked for two reasons - to counter mass heals or to counter Ra and Zephyr. But he is a one-trick pony, and his trick doesn't even have relatively short cooldown, unlike Deadwood's one.
    I'm not a huge fan of fat heroes with passive DPS (except Electrician which I like), I don't want to see Salforis as another unstoppable force, but he should be buffed.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by kippetje View Post
    Honestly, those woh say he isn't strong have to reconsider. I have been able to dominate every single time I solo'd with him.

    Here is an example 69560959
    Tremble is known for being strong in lane right? I crushed him quite hard, and not in some lowish pub either.

    I do not think a buff will be neccesary, especially not at this point.
    Saw the replay. You played well enough but Tremble played very bad in the early lane phase. He basically let you kill him.

    Granted LS is actually decent in the early lane phase versus melee because of Life Tap. Versus any competent ranged hero you'll never ever hit him (assuming he knows what LS spells even are, did not seem like Tremble knew).

    So at the ten minute mark Tremble's farm was crushed, sitting at 130 gpm while you were hitting the 350 mark. However, 15 minutes later Tremble was sitting at 400 GPM with you having dropped off to below 300.

    I don't think that single game shows all the strengths or weaknesses of LS, there was not a single "true" (5v5) team fight the entire game. The other team got picked off every single time leading to a stomp.

    His ultimate though; it's very good versus hero's like Doctor Repulsor.

  16. #96
    625hp base on him. wut

    level 7 with bottle/chalice and int steamboots - 948hp, 585mana, 350(400)ms(ouch), 3.88 armour(ouch)
    level 7 with phase and ring of sorcery - 948hp, 794 mana, 360(396/459)ms, 4.3 armour

    phase and ros look like fairly clear winners on him.

    4-1-1-1 gives him 710 burst + 70+autoattack (65-80 at that point) with whatever damage the aura does.

    Q and W have fairly large cancel-able backswing animations.

    He's probably not as bad as it seems.
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    I've been playing him for 3 straight days......
    I'm 1900 and played dota since 04

    Oh my god!!! I've lost so many games with him
    trying every single possible role you can think of...
    ganker/support/carry/tank/jungler

    item wise..shroud/riftshard/nullstone/frostburn/helm/headdress

    He's only good for TWO THINGS

    *Owning early game (0-15mins)
    * His ult


    THAT'S IT I REPEAT THAT'S IT!!!!
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    And btw....WHY does his ALT avatar suck so much balls?
    Have you seen the animation and quality on it?
    It's so0o0o0o bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by YawningAngel View Post
    Allow me to direct you to http://honmatch.com/hero_use and the awesome 25% win rate of Parasite and less than 1% usage rate of Chronos.
    Acording to that website, glacius needs nerfs since he got 70% wins, and Sil needs buffs as she got 31% wins. The only real truth on that website is that pebbles needs nerfs and RA is not only effective on low level pubs.

    Also: 128 matches on last 30 days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirVH View Post
    Acording to that website, glacius needs nerfs since he got 70% wins, and Sil needs buffs as she got 31% wins. The only real truth on that website is that pebbles needs nerfs and RA is not only effective on low level pubs.

    Also: 128 matches on last 30 days?
    only matches with an average above like 1850 mmr or psr are counted there

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