Carryziah

[Dehorn]

so i've been hearing alot about how good :jera: lane is. i like :jera:, is there any particular skill/item build you would recommend for this lane? or for carryziah in general?

[PrestonLee]

:RingOfSorcery: :EnhancedMarchers: :Insanitarius: :HackNSlash:/:FrostwolfsSkull: :Portalkey:

then pick one:
(:Nullstone: :Puzzlebox: :Brutalizer: aemonicBreastplate :Hellflower: :Mock



if you're solo mid replace :RingOfSorcery: with :Bottle: and rune control

4/1/1/1 standard skillbuild, then either max charm if desired or just max the slow for total chasing rapage early if the charm is only needed for debuffs

Ez

edit: portal key is just there because, no, wait, yeah it's core on Carryziah!

[HollowMask]

:Steamboots::RunedAxe:
:FrostwolfsSkull:
:ElderParasite:
:RestorationStone:
aemonicBreastplate: or :FrostfieldPlate:

[PrestonLee]

:Steamboots::RunedAxe:

O_o no.

sure, maybe the other stuff, but Cleaver, just no. rofl.


to be more specific on my last post -
:RingOfSorcery: - no brainer, gives you a big mana pool to spam spells, Myrmidon gets free mana. I guess you could skip it if Myrmidon gets it instead for both of you, but then you have to be more careful with your mana pool, which is kinda :/ (FWS/Nullstone parts earlier can remedy this though).
:EnhancedMarchers: - allows you to chase easily early on and gives great mobility, which is needed to keep your slow applied and land precise heals and not have to worry about them out-running you; Steamboots meh, even though you're Carryziah you still need whatever amount of mobility you can get early. It can work but :/
:Insanitarius: - coupled with the mobility from Ghosts, people are just fuked. and you can heal yourself and charm so constantly being low on life with it and toggling it on and off for free HP isn't so bad.
:HackNSlash:/:FrostwolfsSkull: - moar slow, and more mobility if Frostburn. huge stats if FWS.
:Portalkey: - Pkey into the middle of a fight and apply your slow aura, perfect ulti placements, clutch heal/charm saves, amazing for chasing. just try it.

(:Nullstone: :Puzzlebox: :Brutalizer: aemonicBreastplate :Hellflower: :Mock - Null for tryhard Elecs/Nullfires/superior magic disables, PBox because it's cool and synergizes with your slows, Bruta because it gives you a stun, Daemonic for negative armor and attack speed/team aura, Hellflower for getting people with escape mechanisms, Mock for damage aura.

[Connect]

Whatever you do, get FWS. It's imba on Jer!

[Pogona]

I don't think "Carryziah" is something you should really be trying for. I have seen it happen, but only when Jere has such an absurdly good early game that he can afford some ridiculous items, like Mock or Heart. Basically, if you die more than once, you aren't going to get to that point, and will just be stealing farm from a hero that actually needs it. I rage when I see a Jere constantly running up to creep waves and farming them with heal, acting as though he needs the farm more than the rest of the team.

If you pick Jereziah expecting to carry with him, and then don't get an incredible start, solid farm (like 350 gpm minimum), and zero deaths, you will probably lose. However if you pick Jere and start to support like you should, and then find that you have a massive advantage that you think you can capitalize on, go for it.

[Decretium]

Kirby?

[Dehorn]

I don't think "Carryziah" is something you should really be trying for. I have seen it happen, but only when Jere has such an absurdly good early game that he can afford some ridiculous items, like Mock or Heart. Basically, if you die more than once, you aren't going to get to that point, and will just be stealing farm from a hero that actually needs it. I rage when I see a Jere constantly running up to creep waves and farming them with heal, acting as though he needs the farm more than the rest of the team.

If you pick Jereziah expecting to carry with him, and then don't get an incredible start, solid farm (like 350 gpm minimum), and zero deaths, you will probably lose. However if you pick Jere and start to support like you should, and then find that you have a massive advantage that you think you can capitalize on, go for it.

well i brought up the thread due to the multiple times ive seen posts on how amazing the :jera: lane is, and in this lane jera would be getting the farm. i know hes not a hard carry but id like to know what others would buy in this situation.

[wulfgar863]

Phase boots >Stormspirit > insanitarius >

[PrestonLee]

well i brought up the thread due to the multiple times ive seen posts on how amazing the :jera: lane is, and in this lane jera would be getting the farm. i know hes not a hard carry but id like to know what others would buy in this situation.

if you put it that way, then you just play normally but rush :RingOfSorcery: to support mana for both you and Myrm early to allow both of you to be really aggressive (and usually lane win through Myrm just spamming stuns nonstop and nailing Jera heals). After that I'd still grab the :EnhancedMarchers: for the mobility and early game gank power with it, but after that it's up in the air. there're a lot of options depending on situation:

1. :Energizer: :Astrolabe: :SolsBulwark: :AbyssalSkull: :TabletOfCommand: :Stormspirit: :Portalkey: - continue to be cheap supporty and grab utility pickups based on situation (you're still a beast anyway even with these items), and heavy push with your team to win early (pretty much standard Jeraziah, but he has access to more farm obviously)

2. :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :BarrierIdol: :BarbedArmor: :Mock: aemonicBreastplate :BehemothsHeart:- start building your usual tanky build and grab a mock when the farm permits it (usually from snowball farm through pushing). take this route if you need a tonk that needs to be in the front lines so your team can initiate/react easily etc.

3. :KuldrasSheepstick:/:FrostfieldPlate:+:Portalkey:, :Puzzlebox: - aim to rush one of the bigger 'support' pickups to help your team immensely with the extra disable/utility. :KuldrasSheepstick:/:FrostfieldPlate:+:Portalkey: is always a treat on pretty much any hero, and Jera is no exception and makes great supporting use of Pkey with his skills as well. you have to be stomping pretty hard to get away with this without grabbing stuff from category 1 or 2 though

4. :Insanitarius: :HackNSlash:/:FrostwolfsSkull: :Portalkey: (:Nullstone: :Puzzlebox: :Brutalizer: aemonicBreastplate :Hellflower: :Mock- previous posts, build him as an unstoppable slowing diving marchine early on and just crap on people with auto attacks. stomp jeraziah, he shouldn't be carrying in general in a serious game, there're better carries, but if you can establish solid farm on Jera then he's definitely capable of carrying through snowball advantage

and obviously you can mix in between depending on what your team needs. pretty much always depends on your line-up and the enemy lineup what's best.

my opinion on it anyway.

[[DOTA]Ainion]

Hate all you want, but on carryziah I go Ghost Marchers - Fast Vanguard - Fast Radiance. Vanguard + Heal/Charm is good survivability, and the Radiance adds damage and if you get it early (which you should) it helps you farm faster. Your luxury items include things like FWS, Bruta (really good on jere), and especially nullstone. Not only does it counter their nullfire/elec, but blocking one single target spell for free every 20(?) seconds is awesome.

[[HAX]Polarlys]

Manaring, GM, Mock, FWS, kite kite kite kite

[Roefl]

Steamboots,Icebrand,Mock. (manaring optional depending on ur mp)
Icebrand into FWS
If you get more farm behemoths is a good pick.

[[ELoB]K0diak]

There's no way to carry harder with Jera than a light speed rushed :KuldrasSheepstick:. What the hell is anyone gonna do?

[[0190]JimmehCake]

Kirby?

This + Crit skill Jerry. :jera:

[[SuCr]Jeen_Lander]

jere is a really strong carry if you consider the following points


jere has magic immunity built in, so instead of buying shrunken he can buy super carry items faster

jere has a slow built in, so instead of relying on things like a slow attack modifier he can go for lifesteal and better carry items

jere can heal his teammates (but not himself cuz he wants magic immune) and his ultimate is like press to win a teamfight

[Pipin]

I dont see the point in going for a fast FWS, i mean its a good item on its own, but why build more slow if you already slow anyone in the vicinity. Its almost like building riftshards on scout.

Imo going boots - mock - sheepstick makes you pretty much boss already. Throw in a survivability item if they are bursty.

[Thug]

Frost burn so good on him, UBER SLOW.

[TheKliff]

I've been thinking of carrying with heroes that arent actually carries. What if you took some of the other carries carry abilities (via items).
:NullfireBlade:
A whole ****ing lot of them :Riftshards:
:SavageMace:
:Shieldbreaker: & :SolsBulwark: / aemonicBreastplate
:AssassinShroud: (joke >_>)
:AbyssalSkull: (kinda but not really).
then maybe throw in some better lifesteal and a brutalizer for good measure.

[Matsuchi]

:RingOfSorcery: :EnhancedMarchers: :Insanitarius: :HackNSlash:/:FrostwolfsSkull: :Portalkey:

then pick one:
(:Nullstone: :Puzzlebox: :Brutalizer: aemonicBreastplate :Hellflower: :Mock



if you're solo mid replace :RingOfSorcery: with :Bottle: and rune control

4/1/1/1 standard skillbuild, then either max charm if desired or just max the slow for total chasing rapage early if the charm is only needed for debuffs

Ez

edit: portal key is just there because, no, wait, yeah it's core on Carryziah!

Good luck affording those items .... (secondbuild)