[2.2.0] Pandamonium

[[DRD]china]

Panda is simply not as reliable as a lot of other heroes in his role.

- throws his ult out and its used. None of his spells require special set up

- Again, nothing requires set up and all of his abilities are used and maximized immediately.

- You could perhaps argue his ult requires some set up but regardless, once he ults and pks in to stun everything is out and used (and his stun doesn't require set up)

etc etc

all of these heroes "blow their load" right away and do not require someone else to set up their stun. Panda's ult and flurry both require time to use and can easily be interupted. Even his flick and cannon ball can be disrupted. On top of this, his cannon ball needs set up for 100% guarantee that it stuns.

TL;DR Panda is as strong as other heroes when catered to and allowed to be, but others can simply do it much more reliably.

FFS this guy makes me .

[[IaF]Skyve]

Panda seems fine. And he still does what he's supposed to:

- Disable magic immune units without damage loss
- Kill supports in 2 charges of flurry.

[[S2]Dawnbringer]

So... we are discussing Pandamonium or how silly this post is. Because you know, Flick + Cannon ball = you retard if you miss. He rapes specific heroes (those that rely on magic resistance/immunity).

EDIT: I must say though, I am sick of seeing people buying runed axe on him -.-

[Kindle]

Panda is a melee carry, not an initiator. All his abilities gain power with items whereas all the heroes you name don't.
I'd say he's underpowered or just not part of the current trend.

[pewpewstar]

This guy = Panda or Dumpster??

I'm sure others will pick the post apart but:

Not sure what he means by Panda's skills being interruptible/disruptable.

CB is a skillshot - no skillshot is ever 100% guaranteed unless you're following up.

Why is not blowing everything in one go a problem?

All in all, why was this approved

[Apto]

The OP doesn't say what role Panda is allegedly supposed to be playing, but the fact he's being compared to Magmus/Behe obviously implies initiator... which Panda has NEVER been.

His stun does a lot more damage than say, Pesti, and it can be used as a pseudo blink to escape. A top-notch skill since they removed the ridiculous self-stun. Flurry is awesome. Excellent scaling damage for all your creep/support hero farming needs. Flick is awesome for every reason.

The only skill I might tweak is his ult, and that's just to speed up the cast time. It's so annoying to start your ult before someone else stuns, and their stun still reaches you first.

Wait, you also compared him with Glad... you're talking about the reliability of initiators and... *headsplosion*

@pewpewstar

Because she does what she wants.

[PRETENT10uS]

Is it just me or is Flick's tooltip bugged/incorrect -I can't get it to list Flick's -armor debuff, even with extended tooltips.

RE: Panda's balance.

Heroes alright. Cannonball's kind of crap (very slow, 600 range, rapes his mana pool) but Flurry and Flick more than make up for that. Has a pretty clear niche imo - very much a counterpick type hero.

[Anakha]

It's -2/4/6/8 if you're wondering, but I can see it fine. *shrug*

[[DRD]china]

This is a serious post from SBT. Won't disclose the user. Made me rage hard, and I went and Anakha'd him.

I came back home crying and posted this, naturally. I'll probably close this soon, just to reinforce my own beliefs that Panda is balanced.

[[RDi]NG_Beholder]

Panda is balanced. He's just not so easy and obvious as, say, Predator.
And I fail to see why OP compared Pandamonium, who is a carry/disabler, with gankers/initiators like Hammerstorm, Magmus, Behemoth and Tundra. Rampage (ganker/disabler) is better comparison: long disables, displacement, physical burst, mainly from abilities, Shrunken Head countering. Rampage is much more easier to play, Panda is stronger as a carry and can do something against Nullstone.

[Anakha]

If that's your attempt at me'ing him, you need some practice tips.

[Imjelly]

take a tip from Bkid
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...d.php?t=344794

[MikeTAR]

I seriously have no idea what this guy is on about comparing heroes etc.

Panda is niche, he is a counter hero/semi carry, why else would his core items consist of Shrunken head, null stone, headdress, demonic, heart etc etc and other survivability items.

All his moves are physical which makes him very strong and why he can counter heroes with shrunken head etc which are mainly on carry heroes. He dominates melee carries especially.

If panda can turn on his shrunken, lock down a Jeriziah or Chronos (for example) for the whole duration of a team fight you’ve won the fight already, his flick and ping combo is fine for killing support and other semi support heroes.

Let’s be realist panda is never ever going to contend against a range or melee hard carry, he’s not designed to do that.

Panda is situational right down to his core. His only down fall is that null stone counters his counter capabilities completely. <- this imo is balanced

Over all I’d he’s balanced, people tend to think he is unbalanced because they treat him like a carry and it doesn’t work.

[GregerMoek]

He's ofcourse, when farmed, a super awesome physical burst damage rapist that doesn't afraid of anything. I'd dare say that he isn't just a counter pick, a hero with that many stuns and disables and at the same wicked physical burst is useful even when not against Swiftblade or Predator or Jeraziah. However he needs to combo most of his abilities rather quickly meaning Vindicator is annoying to play against as a Pandamonium, or any other Silencer I suppose but noone is quite as annoying.

Oh wait, just took a look at his ultimate and obviously he's just a melee Succubau5 that scales.

[[weak]z5o3]

Physical carry, should be taken out of the pool till retarded 2 shot drunken master gets put in check.
also 99% of SBT are ****ing bad, pretty shitty reason for a balance thread

[Balinottero]

Panda is a Hero with a huge Question Mark on his head for me... On the sheet, he should be great... all of his skills scale greatly with items and lvl and on lane he is deadly. Its only there is something wrong on him that cause him to be one of those with lowest Win percentage ever. Why? Well, maybe most people doesn't know how to play him properly. Or maybe there is something about his mechanics and skills that dont suit good with his mates to be a good team partner. If u want to balance him i Think second point is the spot to look at

[Deva]

Panda is as underpowered as a invisible Scout is reliable

The dps that Panda does in 6 seconds probably beats the DPS that most of the other heroes can do in mid game.
Also: Panda can abuse Sols Bulwark and Shieldbreaker soooo badly with his Flick(more -armor) and his other 3 physical abilities

[pewpewstar]

Paging Anakha.

Anakha come in. Do you read??

[Anakha]

Paging Anakha.

Anakha come in. Do you read??

Hello. (i'm on a flight path finally)

[[SBT]Tedde]

Hah, nice thread china